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takno

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The Class 484 trains will be retired long before we ever think about replacing third rail.
Portable fusion drives will be providing almost unlimited energy on demand before we make a concerted effort to get rid of third rail.
 

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They will be trucked all the way from Eastleigh to Sandown where they will re-rail it there then it will go to Ryde St Johns from there
Please bear in mind you’re replying to a post from Jan 2020, what is obvious today wasn’t back then…
 

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I tried to get a PhD doing this sort of thing, unfortunately I missed my 2.1 so lost the place and had to do another masters degree!

Pity, that looked like a fun project.
I think your job designing the Supa-dupa hyper nuclear grid looks more of a challenge tbh
 

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A reminder that this thread is for discussion of the actual infrastructure upgrade on the Island line.

I've moved some posts that were discussing the wider speculative issue of converting 3rd rail to 25kv to this existing thread.
 
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There does seem to be a push to get a rail link into Newport, potentially Riverside area, although not necessarily on its previous route. 3rd rail will be out of the equation on the IOWSR. The two existing railways could work well together if the mainline stock was battery, diesel or some other power. Potentially in the mix if any extensions come to light in the next 10-20 years
 

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There does seem to be a push to get a rail link into Newport, potentially Riverside area, although not necessarily on its previous route. 3rd rail will be out of the equation on the IOWSR. The two existing railways could work well together if the mainline stock was battery, diesel or some other power. Potentially in the mix if any extensions come to light in the next 10-20 years
How well is that proposed line already covered by Southern Vectis buses and what frequency do they operate?
 

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How well is that proposed line already covered by Southern Vectis buses and what frequency do they operate?
What does that matter? Who would want to pay an expensive Vectis fare to be thrown about in a bus for half an hour if there were a rail alternative?

But this is taking the thread in a speculative direction, nothing to do with the current upgrade...
 

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What does that matter? Who would want to pay an expensive Vectis fare to be thrown about in a bus for half an hour if there were a rail alternative?

But this is taking the thread in a speculative direction, nothing to do with the current upgrade...
Neither is the comment to which I answered concerning a speculative line into Newport.....You are right, I should NOT have answered that posting, but just to have pressed the "report button"

How many Southern Vectis bus services have you been on when you have been "thrown about" and if matters are as bad as you say, is it not time the Traffic Commissioners were involved. Can you say how many recent cases have come before the courts when matters as you state have led to injury to passengers?

Glad to see that you feel that many local station stops will be provided..... :p
 

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Hoping that this will stop the comments about reopening to Newport, on which there was a thread only a few months ago. The Ryde-Newport buses are every ten minutes on a weekday and quarter-hourly on a Sunday or Bank Holiday. They go through the centre of Ryde and its suburb of Binstead, through the village of Wootton and, alternately, into Newport though a built-up part of it. The railway misses most of that, although it does serve the small village of Haven Street. As a daily user of the service I have rarely been thrown about as the road is quite good and speeding rare: the main problem tends to be idiot drivers who stop or change lanes without warning.

There really isn’t the traffic for reopening to Newport, even if it was easily possible. It is probably technically possible, but not cheaply or easily. Anyone wanting to pursue this subject further should look at reopening the Reversing Beeching: Isle of Wight Proposals thread.
 
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As there will be no services for a while, is additional work being carried out e.g painting stations and work on the pier
 

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As there will be no services for a while, is additional work being carried out e.g painting stations and work on the pier
Yes, additional work on stations making use of the increased time available was announced by SWR some months ago - post #447 refers.

I think work on the pier structure, (apart from the platform raising at Pier Head station), is on a different and separate timescale though.
 

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A presentation by OSL to the 'Railway Civil Engineers Association' about the upgrade, it's an hour long but those already familiar with the project can probably skip the first 20min. Questions at the end are interesting, seems there was plenty of interest!

An interesting comment at 50:33 - S&C for a connection at Smallbrook was procured but wasn't installed, apparently due to design issues... but there are still plans to use it for the works to Ryde Pier.

Also only platform 1 at Brading is bi-directional which presumably explains why only one signal needs a route indicator, and they've cut out around 1.2m of rail at 1200 joints to remove the dips.

 
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Contractors are currently building a towering temporary footbridge at Brading while the original is refurbished - hard to understand given the PRM-compliant crossing at the other end of the platforms, and with the 484s delayed it may not see any use regardless.


Brading by Chris, on Flickr
 
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I thought normal users won’t be expected to be using the PRM crossing. It will be behind locked gates and only opened on request to the signaller.

But where did I see that detail?
 

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I thought normal users won’t be expected to be using the PRM crossing. It will be behind locked gates and only opened on request to the signaller.

But where did I see that detail?

First I've heard of that, it's a public footpath?
 

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I have had a look at the websites of both the Isle of Wight Council and Brading Town Council, and can find no references to the crossing (footpath B69, I think). However, I have never looked at the sites before (always used paper copies in the library instead) and am not technically savvy, so that is not an absolutely 100% certain answer.
 

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Contractors are currently building a towering temporary footbridge at Brading while the original is refurbished - hard to understand given the PRM-compliant crossing at the other end of the platforms, and with the 484s delayed it may not see any use regardless.
Or the design for the temporary structure was completed and approved before the delays were known, and it's easier to build it as designed than it is to re-plan?
 

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Or the design for the temporary structure was completed and approved before the delays were known, and it's easier to build it as designed than it is to re-plan?

Does it need re-planning? There's no obvious need for any temporary bridge and I'm not sure there ever was given the foot crossing - they'll even have bi-di running through Platform 1 if need be.
 
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What needs re-planning? There's no obvious need for a temporary bridge and I'm not sure there ever was given the foot crossing - they'll even have bi-di running through Platform 1.
I've got no idea about whether or not the need for it exists - I'm assuming it's been part of the works plan for some time now.
 

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If I have understood the system properly, application was made on 18 March and granted on 4 May. However, the last sentence of #769 still applies.
 

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I've got no idea about whether or not the need for it exists - I'm assuming it's been part of the works plan for some time now.

I don't think so, wasn't in the original planning app but one submitted on March 18th - presumably work on the listed bridge was delayed.

(Ironically the steel replica of the main span may be replacing... a steel replica of the main span, supposedly installed in the early years of privatisation though with little fanfare and seemingly even less paperwork)
 

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I imagine someone somewhere is making a pretty penny building a bridge that isn’t needed and won’t be used. Just amazing how much money is chucked away on that island.
 

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As far as I can see from the IW Council website, the official closure of public footpath B69 expired on 9 May, or sooner if the works were completed earlier. But there was still a ‘closed‘ sign at the Yarbridge end of the path a day or two ago.

How expenditure on a temporary bridge can possibly be justified is beyond me, even if they believe trains will be back running before the refurbished original is back.
 

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How expenditure on a temporary bridge can possibly be justified is beyond me, even if they believe trains will be back running before the refurbished original is back.
Ah, but it is only taxpayers’/passengers’ money that is being usefully used, i.e. shovelled from the public purse into the pockets of a private company. The days when a state enterprise would have to at least try to make an effort to use its money prudently are long gone now the recipient of the largesse is likely to be an entrepreneurial buccaneer.
 

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First I've heard of that, it's a public footpath?
Found it, it’s mentioned at about 49m 20s onwards, during the Q&A at the end of the youtube presentation you linked a few posts back (764). He is basically asked how they managed to get away with a foot crossing. He also explains about the temporary bridge.
 

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Found it, it’s mentioned at about 49m 20s onwards, during the Q&A at the end of the youtube presentation you linked a few posts back (764). He is basically asked how they managed to get away with a foot crossing. He also explains about the temporary bridge.

Thanks, I missed that - is that normal (or practical) for a reasonably well used public footpath though? Diverting it over the bridge has been proposed in the past but nothing recently.
 

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Thanks, I missed that - is that normal (or practical) for a reasonably well used public footpath though?
I hadn’t actually realised it’s a footpath crossing as well. Apparently the original plan was to close it and use another crossing further down the line, but they changed the plans? Maybe the signallers will monitor footpath users as well, which raises the obvious question about the period overnight...
 
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