UEFA EURO 2020

[Trackman]

'The group of death' is living up to its reputation.
Still, plenty of time to go..

Betting on an English loss in the round of 16 is almost a sure-fire way of making money. The current England team is very poor and seems incapable of scoring many goals.

Gary Neville was on Sky Sports earlier, he near enough said England had won the group (job complete) and it's now game over.

 

[DarloRich]

Potential coupon buster in Munich: Germany 0 v Hungary 1

Referee has lost the plot in Budapest: Portugal 1 v France 1 ( two of the softest penalties you will ever see and a ref who wants the game to be about him)

 

[SteveM70]

Referee has lost the plot in Budapest: Portugal 1 v France 1 ( two of the softest penalties you will ever see and a ref who wants the game to be about him)

Agree totally about the ref and the France pen, but Portugal’s was anything but soft. Lloris punched Danilo in the head!

 

[DarloRich]

As it stands @ 21:12 England will play Hungary! madness. Long way to go.

Agree totally about the ref and the France pen, but Portugal’s was anything but soft. Lloris punched Danilo in the head!

After clearing the ball. That's what a keeper should be doing. Clear ball and man. Nothing wrong with it. But them I know I am not a trendy VAR FIFA game boy so what do I know?

 

[HST274]

Agree totally about the ref and the France pen, but Portugal’s was anything but soft. Lloris punched Danilo in the head!

Exactly, the france one was awful, mbappe dived but in the first it was punch even if he got the ball! Its like glancing the ball then two footing the player in the follow through

 

[Cowley]

We’re going penalty crazy tonight!

 

[HST274]

ref who wants the game to be about him

Certainly feels like it now lol

 

[Mcr Warrior]

Lloris punched Danilo in the head!

After clearing the ball. That's what a keeper should be doing. Clear ball and man. Nothing wrong with it.

The French goalkeeper was IMHO reckless when challenging for the ball.

Under the current version of the Laws of the Game, that's a direct free kick or penalty kick and a caution issued. Which is more-or-less what happened.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Score in Budapest is now a "Desmond" between Portugal and France, which means Portugal will face England in the round of sixteen...

Allez les bleus!

 

[DarloRich]

the Germany game is mental. Now Hungary 2 v Germany 1! seconds after Germany equalized Hungary took the lead again! I THINK we need France and Hungary to win to get Hungary in the next round!

The French goalkeeper was IMHO reckless when challenging for the ball. Under the current version of the Laws of the Game, that's a direct free kick or penalty kick and a caution issued.

I know what the laws say. They are wrong and show how soft modern football is. What is the keeper supposed to do? Stand there and let the Portugal player score, clap him on the back and well done old chap?

 

[Jamesrob637]

Google can't keep up and says the tables aren't available right now

 

[HST274]

BBC commentary was very funny. 'You can probably hear groans as germany equalised, actually wait, wait a second Hungary have scored!!!'

 

[Mcr Warrior]

What is the keeper supposed to do?

Maybe not to challenge for the ball in a reckless manner that results in an opposition player being punched in the head? Simples!

You'll be defending Harald Schumacher's GBH challenge on Patrick Battiston in the 1982 World Cup semi-final next!

 

[Darandio]

Maybe not to challenge for the ball in a reckless manner that results in an opposition player being punched in the head? Simples!

You'll be defending Harald Schumacher's GBH challenge on Patrick Battiston in the 1982 World Cup semi-final next!

Come on, it's in no way reckless other than in the way the rule is written. He's come out to punch the ball away and the blokes head was there as well but that doesn't mean he wasn't entitled to go for it. Still a penalty though.

 

[SteveM70]

Maybe not to challenge for the ball in a reckless manner that results in an opposition player being punched in the head? Simples!

You'll be defending Harald Schumacher's GBH challenge on Patrick Battiston in the 1982 World Cup semi-final next!

Exactly

 

[Mcr Warrior]

Come on, it's in no way reckless other than in the way the rule is written.

Them's the rules at present!

 

[SteveM70]

After clearing the ball. That's what a keeper should be doing. Clear ball and man. Nothing wrong with it. But them I know I am not a trendy VAR FIFA game boy so what do I know?

He didn’t though. The Portugal bloke won the header and the ball glanced off Lloris’ fist, which then continued to belt the Portugeezer in the head.

 

[AlterEgo]

Come on, it's in no way reckless other than in the way the rule is written. He's come out to punch the ball away and the blokes head was there as well but that doesn't mean he wasn't entitled to go for it. Still a penalty though.

He was entitled to go for the ball, but not to punch it with the player in close proximity. He also didn't even get there first.

 

[DarloRich]

You'll be defending Harald Schumacher's GBH challenge on Patrick Battiston in the 1982 World Cup semi-final next!

Exactly

Don't be silly. You undermine your own argument. It was a fair effort to win the ball. It was unfortunate that the Portugal player was in the way but there wasn't, in my view, any malice. I understand what the laws say and that today that will be given as a penalty but I think they are wrong.

He was entitled to go for the ball, but not to punch it with the player in close proximity.

He is entitled to do both regardless of where the players are. That's his job. I know that my views are old fashioned but football used to be physical game. I honestly don't know what the keeper should do. It seems his job is to keep out of the way and allow the opposition to score when they like.

He didn’t though. The Portugal bloke won the header and the ball glanced off Lloris’ fist, which then continued to belt the Portugeezer in the head.

So? is physical contact forbidden now? I am not suggesting itsnt horrible to be punched in the face. Trust me it is! But there is a difference between an accidental collision and malice and violence.

 

[Darandio]

He was entitled to go for the ball, but not to punch it with the player in close proximity. He also didn't even get there first.

It's all happening split second, he cannot pull out once he's committed because there is no way of knowing where the head will be when the ball reaches that point. It's a penalty but not reckless because you then factor in endangering an opponent. That then makes the whole practice of punching the ball dangerous and would surely have to be outlawed.

 

[HST274]

Poor Hungary. Guess we'll be playing Germany

 

[DarloRich]

Poor Hungary. Guess we'll be playing Germany

They haven't looked great. However they always beat us, probably on penalties!

 

[AlterEgo]

It's all happening split second, he cannot pull out once he's committed because there is no way of knowing where the head will be when the ball reaches that point. It's a penalty but not reckless because you then factor in endangering an opponent. That then makes the whole practice of punching the ball dangerous and would surely have to be outlawed.

Not at all. It's perfectly legal to perform an overhead kick, or roundhouse kick, or a karate kick to play the ball provided you don't endanger the safety of an opponent.

To avoid committing the foul he should simply have got there first and won the challenge.

 

[Darandio]

Not at all. It's perfectly legal to perform an overhead kick, or roundhouse kick, or a karate kick to play the ball provided you don't endanger the safety of an opponent.

To avoid committing the foul he should simply have got there first and won the challenge.

I agree and i've also said it was a penalty. Not intentionally reckless and not intentionally endangering the safety of an opponent though, you get there late and you pay the price like any other tackle.

 

[Mcr Warrior]

England v Wales semi-final on 7th July anyone?

 

[SteveM70]

So? is physical contact forbidden now? I am not suggesting itsnt horrible to be punched in the face. Trust me it is! But there is a difference between an accidental collision and malice and violence.

In that situation yes, and it always has been. Intent is (in the laws as traditionally written) only a factor in handball. Everything else is effectively strict liability. The fact that a ref has - for reasons known only to himself - not taken the well trodden line of “ah, it’s the goalie, it’s different” is a different question

 

[WelshBluebird]

If any other player goes in for a challenge, misses the ball on the initial challenge, only touches the ball because the opposition player touches it onto them and then forcefully makes contact with the opposition player, nobody would be shocked if that's a foul. So whys the keeper different? Right call for me!!

England v Wales semi-final on 7th July anyone?

Despite the fact we'd probably lose (and being Welsh and living in England, I'd never hear the end of it). I'd bloody take that! Though I'm not so sure it will happen as we'll likely have to beat the Netherlands in the quarters!

 

[johncrossley]

but football used to be physical game.

International football is more physical than it used to be. You'll remember when they used to say that England could never do well in the World Cup because English football was much more physical. The 1994 World Cup in particular was notorious for strict refereeing and there were lots of red cards brandished. Nowadays referees allow a lot more rough play.

 

[Wilts Wanderer]

So it’s England vs Germany at Wembley in the Round of 16 next Tuesday. That’s a tasty-sounding tie if ever I heard one. At least with 45,000 in the house there should be a good bit of home advantage roaring us on… (one can at least hope)

Im still staggered that we got 18 goals tonight!

 

[J-2739]

Poor Hungary. Guess we'll be playing Germany

Personally, I'm pleased that England is to be placed against a more challenging opposition than of late. This may force the team to not stack too much weight on playing defensively.