Stagecoach East Scotland

[kez19]

I noticed on the Stagecoach app that the north east Fife dayrider is £6.50 to get to St Andrews.

I noticed prior to this, that on the app if I wanted St Andrews, I had to plan it out from there than Dundee but on the Dundee end this option would not be available (NE Fife), you would be directed to the East Scotland dayticket.

 

[83G/84D]

A unidentified Stagecoach Optare Versa was burnt out after catching fire in Dunfermline on Saturday. Thankfully no-one was hurt but the bus was burnt to a crisp.

 

[J Burns]

Reported as 25260.

 

[RomeoCharlie71]

There are to be minor service changes to Fife services 45 and 77, and Strathtay service 73 from May 10th.

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Timetable Revision from Monday 10th May

If you're planning to travel on our 45, 73 or 77 services from 10th May, be sure to have a look at the new timetables below:

45: Revised route in Woodside, reversed direction of route due to parking issues in the estate.
73: Service retimed to reflect traffic conditions in Dundee City Centre with easing of covid restrictions.
77: Service retimed to reflect traffic conditions in Dundee City Centre with easing of covid restrictions and introduction of 20mph zones on other parts of the route.

 

[RomeoCharlie71]

Fife Enviro400 19064 is to be painted into a heritage livery, I believe commemorating 60 years of Fife Scottish Omnibuses

Uploaded to the Stagecoach website today was a full history of Fife vehicles from 1961: https://www.stagecoachbus.com/promos-and-offers/east-scotland/60-years-fife/fleet-facts

As you might have seen on our timeline, on 15th May 1961, the W. Alexander & Sons bus company, which had stretched from Glasgow to Fife, Aberdeen and Inverness, was split into three. From this, W. Alexander & Sons (Fife) was born. Over time these operations became known as Fife Scottish, and were eventually sold to Stagecoach Group in 1991.

To give you a feel for the vehicles operated at various times in our shared history, we've compiled some historic fleetlists which include the size of the fleet, the age of the vehicles and the respective size of the depots operating. We've also added a special blog post about the importance of fleetlists as a historical record, if you'd like to learn more.

On a fleetlist, each vehicle has its own special number, known as a fleet number. This system has also changed a fair bit since the days of W. Alexander & Sons! You can read more about historical fleet numbering on our blog too.

 

[computerSaysNo]

Apologies if this has already been brought up. Is the current timetable as available on the Stagecoach website for the 15A Crieff to Stirling correct in reading that there is an hourly service until 1346 but then a gap of over two hours (until 1600), then an hour and a half (until 1731), then under an hour (1926)? It just seems very consistent until early/mid-afternoon, and then it's like consistency has been thrown out the window.

 

[GaryMcEwan]

Apologies if this has already been brought up. Is the current timetable as available on the Stagecoach website for the 15A Crieff to Stirling correct in reading that there is an hourly service until 1346 but then a gap of over two hours (until 1600), then an hour and a half (until 1731), then under an hour (1926)? It just seems very consistent until early/mid-afternoon, and then it's like consistency has been thrown out the window.

The current timetable is alsmot exactly the same as to what it was pre-covid.

It makes no sense at all and only came about when they scrapped the 15 running every 30 minutes.

 

[Stan Drews]

Apologies if this has already been brought up. Is the current timetable as available on the Stagecoach website for the 15A Crieff to Stirling correct in reading that there is an hourly service until 1346 but then a gap of over two hours (until 1600), then an hour and a half (until 1731), then under an hour (1926)? It just seems very consistent until early/mid-afternoon, and then it's like consistency has been thrown out the window.

The requirements of the high school in Crieff, which will effectively undermine the economics of the service, determines where buses need to be at school start and finish times. What would form the 1446 journey, will drop out in order to meet the need for enough capacity to cater for the school pupils around an hour later. It might even do a closed primary contract, prior to its high school duties.
A service like the 15A, and many other similar services all over the country, simply wouldn’t be viable if the revenue generated from fares was the only source of income to cover the cost of the total number of buses required to maintain that even timetable, that might look nice on paper.

 

[DunsBus]

Fife Enviro400 19064 is to be painted into a heritage livery, I believe commemorating 60 years of Fife Scottish Omnibuses

Uploaded to the Stagecoach website today was a full history of Fife vehicles from 1961: https://www.stagecoachbus.com/promos-and-offers/east-scotland/60-years-fife/fleet-facts

19064 entered service in its heritage livery today - I've seen photos and it looks fantastc. Stagecoach East Scotland have even given it the Alexander (Fife)-style fleetnumber of FDT64AL which is a nice little touch.

 

[Graham Alexand]

I also found out earlier that part of the X51 service (Glasgow to Dunfermline) is getting withdrawn being the Glasgow to Livingston Sector.

Is this permanent or a Covid-19 variation do you know?

(Apologies for the late reply)

 

[route101]

Is this permanent or a Covid-19 variation do you know?

(Apologies for the late reply)

I find it hard to keep up with X variations between Dunfirmline, East Fife and Dundee.

 

[GaryMcEwan]

Is this permanent or a Covid-19 variation do you know?

(Apologies for the late reply)

I'm led to believe its a permanent withdrawal between Glasgow and Livingston.

 

[GALLANTON]

Did many people use the X51 between Glasgow and Livingston?

 

[Graham Alexand]

I'm led to believe its a permanent withdrawal between Glasgow and Livingston.

That's a shame, that was a very useful service, well hopefully something will come in its place or better yet the X51 to return there.

Did many people use the X51 between glasgow and livingstone?

I would say often the bus was pretty busy even sometimes being completely full, never a journey (from what I seen) was ever dead.

 

[GALLANTON]

I would say often the bus was pretty busy even sometimes being completely full, never a journey (from what I seen) was ever dead.

I used the service once between Livingston and Glasgow a while back and there were only a couple of people on the bus.

 

[Graham Alexand]

i used the service once between Livingstone and Glasgow a while back and there was only a couple of people on the bus

The busier times were afternoon times (12pm - 4pm). It also depends what time you were on the bus.

 

[PaulMc7]

I never ever used the X51 but whenever I seen it in Buchanan Bus Station either coming in from Dunfermline or leaving to go there it was never busy at all. Handful of passengers at most anytime. It would have been handy for Livingston Town Centre given that both of Livingston's train stations aren't really near the town centre but other than that I can't really have seen a bonus to that service.

Dunfermline already has far quicker options from Glasgow and Eurocentral has other options through Citylink.

 

[Graham Alexand]

I never ever used the X51 but whenever I seen it in Buchanan Bus Station either coming in from Dunfermline or leaving to go there it was never busy at all. Handful of passengers at most anytime. It would have been handy for Livingston Town Centre given that both of Livingston's train stations aren't really near the town centre but other than that I can't really have seen a bonus to that service.

Dunfermline already has far quicker options from Glasgow and Eurocentral has other options through Citylink.

Yea, I guess we'll just have to wait and see if Livingston will have its connections again.

 

[route101]

I never ever used the X51 but whenever I seen it in Buchanan Bus Station either coming in from Dunfermline or leaving to go there it was never busy at all. Handful of passengers at most anytime. It would have been handy for Livingston Town Centre given that both of Livingston's train stations aren't really near the town centre but other than that I can't really have seen a bonus to that service.

Dunfermline already has far quicker options from Glasgow and Eurocentral has other options through Citylink.

It was useful for Livingston Centre. The two railway stations are not located near. One time I took train to Bathgate and got Lothian Country to Livingston.

 

[Jordan Adam]

It was useful for Livingston Centre. The two railway stations are not located near. One time I took train to Bathgate and got Lothian Country to Livingston.

However i'd imagine most people traveling from Livingston to Glasgow by public transport will be coming from residential areas, in which case it's easier to just get a local service to one of the stations and then the train the rest. A perfect example of why there's a need for better bus/rail integration UK wide particularly when it comes to ticketing.

 

[route101]

However i'd imagine most people traveling from Livingston to Glasgow by public transport will be coming from residential areas, in which case it's easier to just get a local service to one of the stations and then the train the rest. A perfect example of why there's a need for better bus/rail integration UK wide particularly when it comes to ticketing.

More likely to drive to the station and catch a train.

 

[duffers2324]

I have said this before but the bus is the only Centre to centre link that you can get. Yes its easy enough for older people etc to get the bus to the train station and then the train and vice versa as they have a free pass, but what about the rest of us who need to pay for services and who want to go from one centre to the other even if it is going to residential areas etc?

This means added expense as well as slower journeys for those who have to get the train to either station and then a bus on top. Tickets by train are NOT cheap between Glasgow and either Livingston station eg its £16.30 return from Central to Livingston South. In my case I have relatives who stay in Dedridge area of Livingston and with the bus back off again it means having to get the train and then having a 20 minute walk. I could obviously get the bus at the station but again it's extra expense, whereas if the the x51 was running it's straight into the centre and more like a 10 minute walk to get to where I need to be.

 

[Jordan Adam]

More likely to drive to the station and catch a train.

Not really, i was more talking in the instances where people need to use public transport to get to Glasgow. I'd imagine most people in Livingston with a car would just drive there rather than get the X51 anyway.

I have said this before but the bus is the only Centre to centre link that you can get, yes its easy enough for older people etc to get the bus to the train station and then the train and vice versa as they have a free pass but what about the rest of us who need to pay for services and who want to go from one centre to the other even if it is going to residential areas etc, this means added expense as well as added slower journeys for some with having to get the train to either station and then a bus on top plus to mention tickets by train are NOT cheap between Glasgow and either Livingston station for eg its £16.30 return from Central to Livingston South, my example being is i have relatives who stay in Dedridge area of Livingston and with the bus back off again it means having to get the train and the having a 20 minute walk, i could obviously get the bus at the station but again extra expense, where as if the the x51 was running its straight into the centre and more like a 10 minute walk to get to where a need to be.

Most people don't travel centre to centre but from suburb to centre. Hence the point that even with the X51 for many it's easier to just get a local bus then the 900 or train, especially when both are far more frequent.

Tbh for that distance a £16.30 return isn't that bad.

 

[overthewater]

Not sure why Anyone would want to travel to Glasgow at this moment of time, it still in level 3 and its been made clear Scottish goverment want people to stay away.

If you take a look at the registration, The X51 section to Glasgow was fully withdrawn in March, while the X26 was just suspended and is still registered.

Alas the X51 was to successful ( think of Mcgills X23), and often left passengers behide at Dear park or the Fastlink, heading to Glasgow because it was full (many a time dups were sent out etc ( Fife to Livingston ) So with some passengers it's not worth the hassle.

It did get a good load from Glasgow at times, But it seems the Commuter market has not picked up. However 900 Still stops overnight at Dearpark.

 

[route101]

Not sure why Anyone would want to travel to Glasgow at this moment of time, it still in level 3 and its been made clear Scottish goverment want people to stay away.

If you take a look at the registration, The X51 section to Glasgow was fully withdrawn in March, while the X26 was just suspended and is still registered.

Alas the X51 was to successful ( think of Mcgills X23), and often left passengers behide at Dear park or the Fastlink, heading to Glasgow because it was full (many a time dups were sent out etc ( Fife to Livingston ) So with some passengers it's not worth the hassle.

It did get a good load from Glasgow at times, But it seems the Commuter market has not picked up. However 900 Still stops overnight at Dearpark.

Been into Glasgow a few times over the last week, don't think many people are abiding by that rule by the shoppers on the East Kilbride train.

I thought the X51 returned briefly to Glasgow. Only used it a few times, popular with shoppers to Livingston. -

 

[Volvodart]

50245 is being used as a vaccine bus, currently in Glasgow.

 

[GaryMcEwan]

Perth's 54515 making a very rare and odd appearance by being on the 15/A most of the day.

Although I would imagine those travelling will like travelling in a bit more luxury than they normally get.

EDIT - Turns out that 54515 replaced 27908 after it suffered from severe gearbox issues after its first run from Crieff to Perth this morning.

54517 is also making an appearance tonight on the 15 after coming off the X56s.

Are Perth short on spares at the moment?

 

[jamieintercity]

Stagecoach recently took over the 47 and peak 30s from Smith and Sons, as well as school service 47A/B. They'll loses the 202 to Moffat and Williamson from next month but gain new service 204 (replacing xplore dundee 4).

For fleet movements, 13111 returned to service today, whilst 22572/867/71 all entered service at Arbroath recently (don't know if 22572 is on loan from Perth).

 

[overthewater]

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Some service changes are coming in from next week,

From Monday 16 August, we're making a few changes to services and timetables across Fife, Dundee & Angus and Perthshire.

Fife:
Madras College in St Andrews is moving to a new site. Journeys on services 95, 97 and 98 which serve the school will be revised, and some will run earlier than before. Please check the timetables for full details.

Dundee & Angus:
Dundee City Council have revised their supported services in the city. Service 202 will transfer to a different operator and Stagecoach will begin running new service 204 between the city centre, West End, Lochee and Dryburgh.


Perthshire:
Following some amendments to school buses in Perth, minor changes will affect services 14, 17 and 36.

The 0845 Perth to Pitcairngreen and 1512 Pitcairngreen to Perth service 14 journeys will now run on school holidays only. The 1535 Perth to Auchterarder service 17 journey will now start from Perth High School at 1548 on schooldays (or bus station at 1553 on holidays) and the 1633 Auchterarder to Perth journey will run at 1651. The 0715 Glenrothes to Perth service 36 will extend to Perth High School on schooldays. School services 614 and 856 will no longer run.


Express:
Service X51 will be re-routed within Livingston to pass St John's Hospital. The bus will stop on Alderstone Road. Extra journeys will be introduced to suit shift times at the hospital. At Livingston Centre, service X51 will now serve stop G rather than stop D.

 

[LiviCrazy]

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Some service changes are coming in from next week,

Strange timetable on the X51. Stopping at St John’s on the way from Dunfermline but not on the way back.