WesternBiker
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It has form? (Or, rather, the user has form?)I used to sign the line. High time they sorted that crossing.
It has form? (Or, rather, the user has form?)I used to sign the line. High time they sorted that crossing.
I do sign it, and yes it doesI used to sign the line. High time they sorted that crossing.
I have heard today it is the same person that has had past formIt has form? (Or, rather, the user has form?)
Apparently there is damage to over half a mile of track. Suggestion is that the tractor pulled out when the train was within a few hundred yards.Line not expected to be open until Monday morning at the earliest now.
Edit: make that Tuesday morning!
Figures I have heard suggest the bill could be over 100 million all in.
Beat me too it. That initial quotation did make me chuckle.No chance! Maybe a couple of million.
From what I have heard, not Signaller, and there was reason given by a person on site, but as that is not in the public domain it cannot be repeated.But the crossing user, the farmer in this case, is still required to ask for permission to cross, hence me hoping it is not the Signallers fault. If the farmer, never asked for permission, it is the farmers fault entirely. It should not matter how far down the line you can see.
Ridiculous.Apparently there is damage to over half a mile of track. Suggestion is that the tractor pulled out when the train was within a few hundred yards.
Damage to the loco is extensive. Maybe up to 3 months off line.
Figures I have heard suggest the bill could be over 100 million all in.
The driver of the loco has apparently done a impressive job of staying safe then getting the emergency call out immediately.
From what I have heard, not Signaller, and there was reason given by a person on site, but as that is not in the public domain it cannot be repeated.
Round here they tend to be 17 years old and glued to their iphones.Without casting nasturtiums...
I work with a lot of farmers. They employ very casual labour to help with harvest. Some of these people are, how shall we say, not particularly bright.
The piles of straw suggests this trailer was moving bales off a field. Almost certainly casual labour and they're notorious for all sorts of stupidity, such as managing to tip the whole lot on its side going round corners, forgetting or not bothering to strap them down etc.
The RAIB report on Frognal Farm is required reading for anyone who doesn’t understand what happened here.
Unless something has happened at Kisby recently, it is/was not POGO. [Edit it is/was POGO - my error and apologies see following posts]POGO’s and the signage. A false sense of security for the unwary, or the unwise.
Please could you explain POGO?POGO’s and the signage. A false sense of security for the unwary, or the unwise.
I believe it is POGO, backed up by the sign visible in the picture posted on this railcam news article (right below). The writing on the sign isn't fantastically clear, but compared to a photograph of a POGO sign included in the Frognal Farm RAIB report (left below) it does look as though the text is the same and instructs users to press a button to open both gates as is the function of a POGO.Unless something has happened at Kisby recently, it is/was not POGO.
Thanks for that. The 'Push green button to open both gates' is clear enough.I believe it is POGO, backed up by the sign visible in the picture posted on this railcam news article (right below). The writing on the sign isn't fantastically clear, but compared to a photograph of a POGO sign included in the Frognal Farm RAIB report (left below) it does look as though the text is the same and instructs users to press a button to open both gates as is the function of a POGO.
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[Image shows two signs side by side, the one on the left considerably clearer than the one on the right. The instructions on the sign on the left read:
Always telephone before crossing with vehicles or animals to find out if there is time to cross
Tell the crossing operator if the vehicle is large or slow moving
- Push green button to open both gates
- Cross quickly
- Push green button to close both gates. Maximum penalty for not doing so £1000]
Which is the wrong side? EM will need trains both sides with buses in the middle.Out of interest how many trains are actually stuck the wrong side of this incident? I know from reading another thread on here that East Midlands have got a number of 158s stuck but are there any others?
Out of interest how many trains are actually stuck the wrong side of this incident? I know from reading another thread on here that East Midlands have got a number of 158s stuck but are there any others?
Which is the wrong side? EM will need trains both sides with buses in the middle.
Which is the wrong side? EM will need trains both sides with buses in the middle.
[Image shows two signs side by side, the one on the left considerably clearer than the one on the right. The instructions on the sign on the left read:
Always telephone before crossing with vehicles or animals to find out if there is time to cross
Tell the crossing operator if the vehicle is large or slow moving
- Push green button to open both gates
- Cross quickly
- Push green button to close both gates. Maximum penalty for not doing so £1000]
If you need to phone the signal box for permission to cross, there must be communication between the crossing and the box. So why isn't the green button in the signal box?I'm not familiar with the operation of modern farm crossings (I realise it's not possible to generalise). But, pushing as green button to operate the gates suggests either that they are power operated, or at least that releases a lock.
Could the fact that the gates then open give the unfamiliar / insufficiently cautious / those who neglect to contact the signaller, a false impression that it's safe to cross?
Another thought from one not aware of the details. Is there any practical way that the release of gates could be interlocked with signals or track circuits? I realise that this couldn't address excessively slow movements across a crossing. It's probably been thought of.
That is a very good question.If you need to phone the signal box for permission to cross, there must be communication between the crossing and the box. So why isn't the green button in the signal box?
Signal here refers to a railway signal that is there for train drivers? If so, I don't understand how anyone could think such a signal could be for them wishing to cross the line. A signal for a crossing will be positioned clearly and be facing the person wishing to cross, e.g. pelican crossings or traffic lights.Has been mentioned in local media here. The Tractor driver mistook the signal (which showed Green for 4L02), as permission to cross.