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Is all of the Canada Dock Branch double-tracked now? I read that it had been agreed to double-up the track on the final section into the Port of Liverpool back in 2019 but never heard if it was completed.

That's a section of line that could do with electrification, particularly given how much busier the port is with Liverpool 2 opening.
 
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Is all of the Canada Dock Branch double-tracked now? I read that it had been agreed to double-up the track on the final section into the Port of Liverpool back in 2019 but never heard if it was completed.

That's a section of line that could do with electrification, particularly given how much busier the port is with Liverpool 2 opening.
It was meant to be done by the end of the month, don't know if it has. This will be a loooooooong way down the list for wires.
 

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It's only a few yards that are being doubled anyway, only up to the scrap metals branch at Strand Road. Leccy won't be happening anytime soon.
 

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With the move to 'last mile' electric locos there is no need to electrify freight branches (quite apart from the impossibility of wiring any Depot where goods are top-loaded)
 

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Thanks for sharing. And thanks to everyone else that answered.

You seem to have your docks mixed up. The Canada Dock branch left the current line at Atlantic Junction and was closed to passengers in 1941 and to goods on 12/09/1982. The line that is still open was I think called the Alexandra Dock branch. This obviously has been extended to both the biomass terminal, Stanton Grove and Seaforth Container Terminal. There is also access at Alexandra Dock to the scrap terminal.
 
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You seem to have your docks mixed up. The Canada Dock branch left the current line at Atlantic Junction and was closed to passengers in 1941 and to goods on 12/09/1982. The line that is still open was I think called the Alexandra Dock branch. This obviously has been extended to both the biomass terminal, Stanton Grove and Seaforth Container Terminal. There is also access at Alexandra Dock to the scrap terminal.
I was going off what I'd heard it called in the press and on Wikipedia.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_Dock_Branch
 

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All finished and open since September. 400 metres of double track added, enabling 2tph:


In reality, 400 metres of new line added from the old Alex Dock Yard (Regent Road crossing) to Strand Road. At the same time, the existing line was replaced with two crossovers also inserted, so two lines to / from Strand Road straight on to the Bootle / Canada Dock Branch line. The purpose of the work carried out was to give more flexibility and to make it operationally easier for trains to exit and access the mainline. Now before that was carried out, you could still have two trains in and two trains departing the docks within the hour too, so nothing new.

To emphasis the point, a train can be in the four mile section between Bootle Junction and Edge Lane Junction which takes 15/20 minutes to transverse. Once train cleared section, in theory another train is able to enter that section. However, in practice, only happens occasionally as there tends to be only approx 10/12 trains in each direction per day (only on some days though) which would include biomass, intermodal/container, scrap trains and may be the very occasional steel train.

Bottom line, just political spin by the D.o.T to suggest they know what the talking about and they are good servants to the public! If they cannot get that right, what chance with HS2 matters! :lol:

(PS I dont blame Peel Holdings making the most of the free publicity as advertising their services and capacity so why not).
 

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In reality, 400 metres of new line added from the old Alex Dock Yard (Regent Road crossing) to Strand Road. At the same time, the existing line was replaced with two crossovers also inserted, so two lines to / from Strand Road straight on to the Bootle / Canada Dock Branch line. The purpose of the work carried out was to give more flexibility and to make it operationally easier for trains to exit and access the mainline. Now before that was carried out, you could still have two trains in and two trains departing the docks within the hour too, so nothing new.

To emphasis the point, a train can be in the four mile section between Bootle Junction and Edge Lane Junction which takes 15/20 minutes to transverse. Once train cleared section, in theory another train is able to enter that section. However, in practice, only happens occasionally as there tends to be only approx 10/12 trains in each direction per day (only on some days though) which would include biomass, intermodal/container, scrap trains and may be the very occasional steel train.

Bottom line, just political spin by the D.o.T to suggest they know what the talking about and they are good servants to the public! If they cannot get that right, what chance with HS2 matters! :lol:

(PS I dont blame Peel Holdings making the most of the free publicity as advertising their services and capacity so why not).
Exactly this. Upgraded capacity can only come via faster line speed or shorter sections.
 
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