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Southern, Thameslink & Great Northern 'Not On Strike' Details

frediculous

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What I can't work out is why on the Wednesday there appears to be 3tph to/from Sandy towards London, the two normal TL Horsham services, plus one to King's Cross. This appears to be in addition to the peak-time GN fasts.

Edit: and on the Friday
 
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id say give it a chance to do the upload, check back in the morning. itll be publishing thousands of schedules tonight and is probably only half way through at the moment, if that.
 

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id say give it a chance to do the upload, check back in the morning. itll be publishing thousands of schedules tonight and is probably only half way through at the moment, if that.
How long does it take to out through changes such as this?
 

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Disappointing that the first southbound train from Haywards Heath and Burgess Hill isn’t until after 08:30 on the Weds and Fri. I’d have thought it should have been possible to have something starting out of Three Bridges depot a good time earlier.
 

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On the Wednesday and Friday, it appears Southern via Forest Hill will start on time, but the Overground services that share the line don't start up until around 0730 with first services starting from New Cross Gate.
 

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On the Wednesday and Friday, it appears Southern via Forest Hill will start on time, but the Overground services that share the line don't start up until around 0730 with first services starting from New Cross Gate.
It may be that the Southern timetable isn't uploaded yet.
 

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Bar one 8 car 387 circuit, every GTR ECML services will be 700/717.
Bet GTR wish they had toilets on the 717 now. Could've stuck a 12 car 717s on all routes. They gobble up the crowds on platforms impressively.

Although don't think they are tested for passenger services beyond Hitchin on the mainline and Baldock on the Cambridge Branch.
 

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What have toilets got to do with it? If 717s are clear for the route and needed for capacity they would be used but don't offer much over a 700 for that purpose.


Yes, 700s do as well.
Rules state journeys over a certain distance require toilets on board

700s do a good job, but 717s are better crowd gobblers
 

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Rules state journeys over a certain distance require toilets on board

700s do a good job, but 717s are better crowd gobblers
Which rules? Crossrail services from Reading to Shenfield or Abbey Wood will mean an awfully long time without a toilet...
 

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On the Wednesday and Friday, it appears Southern via Forest Hill will start on time, but the Overground services that share the line don't start up until around 0730 with first services starting from New Cross Gate.
Nothing will run before 0715 on Wednesday, Friday or Sunday.
 

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700s do a good job, but 717s are better crowd gobblers
They're essentially the same, other than the 700s having a 1st class area (half of which is permanently declassified).

700s are either 12-car or 8-car so they gobble up more people than a 6-car 717.
 

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The Weds/Fri/Sun Great Northern timetables haven’t been uploaded yet. Any ideas on what the Kings Cross to Cambridge and Ely will look like?
 

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The Weds/Fri/Sun Great Northern timetables haven’t been uploaded yet. Any ideas on what the Kings Cross to Cambridge and Ely will look like?

They seem to have arrived now.

Sunday frequency (1 Kings Lynn to Kings Cross, fast from Cambridge; 2 'Thameslink' from Cambridge, one semi-fast, one stopper, though both terminating at Kings Cross, nothing through the core) starting about 0730, though at 'weekday' times (eg. the up Ely departures are around xx17).

Sunday itself has engineering work blocking Cambridge North to Ely, so that's not going to be a great next weekend for me :rolleyes:
 

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Will the services finish early on the night of the 17th of August ?
If it follows the previous pattern, late night services on 17 August should generally operate as normal because the strikes are based on workers not booking on for shifts from 0001 on 18 August. Therefore shifts that start on 17 August are seen through to their end.
 

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This is an example of what the shortages cause.

18:16 Victoria to Littlehampton starting short at East Croydon due to a disturbance on a train. Not GTRs fault. 18:05 to Reigate cancelled due to shortage of train crew.

Unless one made the 18:02 to Brighton they would need to get the 18:32 to Brighton and miss the Littlehampton service as only the 18:02 would connect with the Littlehampton service or indeed any other service from East Croydon to Brighton.

The 19:16 to Littlehampton was cancelled throughout due to staff shortages, so no point waiting for that one.

The 20:00 Brighton to Portsmouth was running at least.
 

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Just wondering, why is Purley station closed?

Lots of services are running through the station (London Bridge to Brighton/Gatwick Airport/Tattenham Corner and Victoria to Brighton), Purley Oaks, Reedham and Coulsdon South are all still open, and actually every other station on the entire BML is open.
 

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Just wondering, why is Purley station closed?

Lots of services are running through the station (London Bridge to Brighton/Gatwick Airport/Tattenham Corner and Victoria to Brighton), Purley Oaks, Reedham and Coulsdon South are all still open, and actually every other station on the entire BML is open.
If the required staffing levels can’t be met for a station like Purley, it’ll be shut. The others you’ve listed don’t require much in the way of staff, if any to operate.
 

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Bet GTR wish they had toilets on the 717 now. Could've stuck a 12 car 717s on all routes. They gobble up the crowds on platforms impressively.

Although don't think they are tested for passenger services beyond Hitchin on the mainline and Baldock on the Cambridge Branch.
One is booked to Letchworth today (1721 Kings Cross - Letchworth via Hertford North)
 

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If the required staffing levels can’t be met for a station like Purley, it’ll be shut. The others you’ve listed don’t require much in the way of staff, if any to operate.
Why does Purley need more staff?
 

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If the required staffing levels can’t be met for a station like Purley, it’ll be shut. The others you’ve listed don’t require much in the way of staff, if any to operate.

True but my point was why can every other station on the BML open, including lots of busier stations such as Norwood Junction, East Croydon, Redhill, Gatwick Airport, Three Bridges, Haywards Heath, Brighton etc all open while Purley can't.

My point about Purley Oaks, Reedham and Coulsdon South is saying how other stations in the vicinity are open, so they are not avoiding opening stations in that particular area.
 

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True but my point was why can every other station on the BML open, including lots of busier stations such as Norwood Junction, East Croydon, Redhill, Gatwick Airport, Three Bridges, Haywards Heath, Brighton etc all open while Purley can't.

My point about Purley Oaks, Reedham and Coulsdon South is saying how other stations in the vicinity are open, so they are not avoiding opening stations in that particular area.
Its still platform despatch even for Thameslink despite the rest of the route now being self despatch for Thameslink.
 

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Why does Purley need more staff?
Because they dispatch trains at Purley with Platform staff, whereas Purley Oaks, Reedham and Coulsdon South are all DOO dispatch. On strike days GTR mainly use agency to cover dispatch, and they are focussed on the larger stations so likely will have been covering East Croydon or Gatwick instead.
 

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Does anyone know when next week's timetable will be out for the Fen line please?
In an attempt to sort out if /when I can get in, I know to let my employer know asap.

Thanks :)
 

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Southern have a message on their website showing they are only running very limited services on Tues 13th, Wed 14th, Fri 16th and Sat 17th Dec and that services will be starting "much later" than normal on Thu 15th and Sun 18th Dec yet if you go to a journey planner search either on their own website at southernrailway.com or via nationalrail.co.uk a regular normal timetable for each of these days is shown.

As they know the strike action is going ahead and from my local station at Ockley it will mean no trains on Tues 13th, Wed 14th, Fri 16th and Sat 17th Dec and only a shuttle service from Dorking to Horsham on Thurs 17th Dec if we are lucky (and only because I previously complained high up about Sunday service following a rail strike day meaning no service at all again from Dorking to Horsham) why exactly is it that GTR and/or Rail Delivery Group still appear unable to show the actual timetable that will be applicable on each strike day and on the day after the strike day at this very late stage in proceedings?

Southern's website also states that "there will also be an overtime ban across the railway network from Sunday 18 December until Monday 2 January. Services may be extremely limited throughout this period" but again have in no way adjusted their online journey planners for the period in question to reflect this.

Can anyone explain to me exactly why it is that at this very late stage with only four and a half days to go before apparently three and a half weeks with either no train services or very limited services neither GTR or Rail Delivery Group have managed to get their act together to show us precisely what train services will be available to those members of the British Public still rash enough to entrust their travel arrangements to an industry that thinks people should spend weeks at home not travelling anywhere whenever their employees feel like holding the country to ransom for pay rises no one working in other jobs can possibly hope to get without any fear of either being sacked or made redundant as a result of their actions.
 

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Well, quite!
I may be able to stay over but need to know I can definitely get back on Thursday otherwise I'll be stranded until Sunday. This could make the difference to me for avoiding taking unpaid leave. Yes that is what it's come to now.
 

Capvermell

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I should add that in view of the blatantly false information still shown on the Southern Rail and National website journey planners I also spoke to their Contact Centre operated by (but which their staff are never allowed to admit to) Teleperformance but as per nearly all my previous dealings with that call centre their staff neither knew or much less still cared what would be happening to Southern rail services or why the journey planners had not yet been updated to reflect these probably non existent train services to my local station (Ockley) for most of the next few weeks as of 13th December onwards.
 

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