birchesgreen
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Noted intellectual David Davis has blamed (on the Andrew Neil show) the current state on us having a... Remainer's Brexit!
Always someone else to blame isn't there?
Always someone else to blame isn't there?
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Yes that amused me (because otherwise I'd cry, etc etc). Of course a Remainer's Brexit would have likely seen us leave the EU but remain within the EEA and hence Single Market something which certainly to this Remainer would have seemed to honour the result of the referendum (which as a reminder was simply: "Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?") without inflicting pointless damage to the UK and risking the Good Friday Agreement. That would have been a Remainer's Brexit, something which we've been assured by the Brexiteers around here would have been totally unacceptable because it wasn't the "Brexit I voted for!".
Then again for the Brexit Ultra's nothing will ever be good enough and everything is always someone else's fault, they don't have a plan or strategy for anything other than being the perennial victim of something or someone (be it the EU, the traitorous Civil Service, Theresa May herself, etc etc). The more that this all goes on the more I am reminded of the metaphorical dog that was chasing a bin wagon not knowing what to do with it if it catches it.
adrock1976
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Was this the same David Davis from the Conservatives who represented the Yorkshire constituency of Haltemprice and Howden who triggered a by-election in 2012 so as to get David Cameron to have a referendum on the EU?
Furthermore, I do recall there were two David Davis who served as MPs around that time, hence how I am asking if it is the one referred to above.
Gloster
Established Member
I think that David Davis forced a by-election in 2008 over the erosion of civil liberties. He is a leading Brexiteer, but did suggest a two-stage process in 2012, with one initial vote on a renegotiation of the relationship and a second on the renegotiated arrangements (take it or leave the EU).
David Davies has been the Conservative MP for Monmouth since 2005. He does not seem to have done much to imprint himself on peoples’ consciousness.
nlogax
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One could argue that's a good thing. At least he's not taken on a reputation for massive incompetence at a national level.
After 17 years he has risen to the dizzy heights of Parliamentary Under Secretary of State for Wales. He holds the distinction, I think, of being the only Conservative member for a Welsh constituency elected before 2019 who has not been Secretary of State for Wales. I suppose there is still time!
birchesgreen
Established Member
Why are we talking about David DaviEs? It was David Davis who i mentioned earlier. Please do not mistake your Davis/Davies, as a holder of one of those surnames myself it is annoying.
I think the point was that it wouldn't possibly be the other one as he has done nothing of note. I believe at one time he did complain about getting the former Brexit Secretary's post. The point has been made now, and apologies that our efforts to find something amusing about the MP for Monmouth have annoyed you.
birchesgreen
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As he must be a distant relative i must apologise for him...
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... Or bank branch staff!
I see that the GHIC page on the UK Government website says you will have to apply for a GHIC once your EHIC expires. I wonder whether you have to wait until your EHIC has expired (or is about to expire) before applying for a GHIC, or if not, how far in advance of your EHIC expiry date it's OK to apply for a GHIC.The EHIC section on the UK government website has been updated and it looks like Switzerland, Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein won't accept the UK EHIC or GHIC from 1 January. But it seems you can use a UK passport in Norway instead of having EHIC. I guess they weren't part of the EU deal so are out of scope for EHIC.
Applying for healthcare cover abroad (GHIC and EHIC)
Find out if you're eligible to apply for a new UK EHIC or UK Global Health Insurance Card (GHIC).www.gov.uk
Maybe there will be deals for Switzerland, Iceland and Liechtenstein in the future. I guess that's obviously pretty serious for a lot of train fans here. I was hoping to spend a lot of time in Switzerland when I'm retired so it looks like I'm definitely going to have to move to Ireland to retain EHIC validity in Switzerland if that situation doesn't change, due to my health conditions.
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In news that should surprise nobody, a new study by the Resolution Foundation has found that Brexit has already had, and will continue to have negative impacts on the average worker:
Sky News story here: https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-w...tains-competitiveness-new-study-says-12638190
In some good news (?), the study found that things weren't as bad as some people had feared it would be:
Sky News story here: https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-w...tains-competitiveness-new-study-says-12638190
ROFL!
Shows that Davis is either stupid (unlikely) or incredibly militant.
Yes, quite, those that witter on about democracy fail to acknowledge that an outcome that was basically a tie (in my view, close enough not to have Brexit at all, though would be prepared to accept a soft one) somehow maps to a hard Brexit.
13 for, 12 against does not justify hard Brexit. The hard Brexit outcome of Johnson would only have been a reasonable one if say 60% voted Brexit and, in a separate referendum, a significant majority also voted to restrict immigration and suspend the customs union.
Imagine a similar referendum on say cocaine possession. 37% voted for decriminalisation, 34% voted against, and the rest didn't vote. Arguably, that would also not be a mandate for change, and a sensible government would look into the consequences of decriminalisation before implementing it.
Imagine, then, that the actual action on that referendum was not just decriminalisation of cocaine possession, but full revocation of the possession law regarding cocaine. To me, that's what the Brexit outcome is like.
But a very soft Brexit with no restrictions on freedom of movement, and remaining in the customs union, is something I would have fully accepted and would not be moaning on threads like this a couple of years later
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nlogax
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Judging by his track record over the last six years there's a lot in column A.
Gloster
Established Member
I see that Rees-Mogg is crowing that our departure from the EU means that we won’t have to standardise our ‘phone chargers. He must be getting pretty desperate to find Brexit bonuses if he thinks that a move to cut waste and help the consumer is a bad thing.
And it's a nonsense anyway. Unless the UK actually bans USB-C chargers then we will get USB-C chargers as the manufacturers are hardly likely to make USB-C phones for a market of >300M and also make phones using a different connector for the UK just because the "Honourable Member for the 18th century" says so!
Though if they're making an EU phone that uses USB-C and one using a different connector for the rest of the world, UK retailers would be able to stock either model.
Manufacturers are likely to make it standard worldwide anyway - it will cost them more to produce different chargers for different markets.
I don't see what's wrong with having one standard charger anyway. In the days before smartphones I found that it was beneficial to have a Nokia phone because so many other people also used one, or had done previously; if you went somewhere and forgot your charger, the chances are that there would be one kicking around.
I'm not sure that Rees-Mogg should be worrying about such things anyway - is telegraph not more his thing?
gabrielhj07
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It’s about time lightning got killed off, even though I principally don’t support bureaucrats telling me how to charge my phone.
johncrossley
Established Member
Do electrical goods sold in both the UK and the EU come with UKCA and CE markings? Or do they take the trouble to only provide UKCA marked goods only to the UK?
Is there an example of something that is branded UKCA and not CE? That would mean it can't be sold in Northern Ireland.
Is there an example of something that is branded UKCA and not CE? That would mean it can't be sold in Northern Ireland.
Xenophon PCDGS
Veteran Member
Or even telegrams...I'm not sure that Rees-Mogg should be worrying about such things anyway - is telegraph not more his thing?
"Standardisation is bad" says Jacob Rees-Mogg, born 1869 (there must surely be a typo in the year of birth given on Wikipedia). "And scrap that decimal currency while we're at it... back to the groat for us!"
No manufacturer is changing anything on the production line for the UK. The rest of the world has basically adopted and accepted USB-C as the new standard for what is likely many, many years to come (as the spec allows for faster data transfer and charging without changing the connector) and if the UK doesn't like it, tough. The UK is no longer a major player on the global stage so everything Jacob said was nonsense.
Plus any UK company that wants to sell outside of the UK will also adopt USB-C on any device it makes.
(Okay, I accept there might be some crazy firm that thinks it can create some non-standard proprietary connector with a union flag on it to sell to rabid Brexiteers - but it will be a gimmick at best. More likely it will be some dodgy IndieGoGo or Kickstarter scam that just aims to fleece them).
I don't think there is any expectation that there would be a separate production line for the UK.
You say the rest of the world has adopted USB-C, yet Apple still seem to be happy to continue to use Lightning even on their latest iPhones.
Previously there was an agreement for everyone to standardise on the Micro-B port, since then most manufacturers have settled on USB-C without the EU having to mandate it. Although USB-C looks fairly extensible with multiple protocols using the same cable, who's to say how long that will continue?
If someone comes up with a whizzy new connector that does things better than USB-C, is it really best that they prevented by law from selling devices using it or just leave it to see what people buy and stand or fall by its own merits?
REVUpminster
Member
Do not the rest of the world provide three pin plugs on their goods for use in the UK?
Gloster
Established Member
I am no expert, but I would presume that sticking a three-pin plug on the end of a cable is a lot simpler than building a different type of port/connector (or whatever it is called) into the body of an apparatus. And it probably adds a bit to the price, possibly not much, but we are used to that.
I don't see why that is relevant. Devices for the UK require a three pin plug because that is what fits British sockets, there is no such requirement for electronic devices sold in the UK to have a non-standard connector just for the sake of being different, and no benefit to anyone in manufacturers making non-standard and less convenient versions of their products for the UK when the standard version would work perfectly well and be more convenient for all concerned.
I 100% agree with universal USB-C; however I do wonder, if this legislation came in during MicroUSB, if we would all still be stuck with that; with the advantages and disadvantages of a change to USB-C still being discussed by bureaucrats and failing to gain traction.
Probably not. More than likely what would have happened is that the USB Implementers Forum would have gone to the EU and said "We've got a new and improved version" and the EU would have said "Okay, devices manufactured past X date have to use the new standard".
Remember, the EU isn't anti-technology or anti-change. The whole point of this directive is stopping consumers being locked into a particular manufacturer due to propriety connectors.
ABB125
Established Member
Standardising on USB-C is good (in my opinion).
I don't necessarily agree with mandating it for laptops though. (I was going to say that USB can't deliver enough power for high-spec laptops, but it appears that I'm behind the times: apparently, the latest generation of USB-C can deliver up to 240W, rather than the previous 100W. In which case, it's less of an issue.)
I don't necessarily agree with mandating it for laptops though. (I was going to say that USB can't deliver enough power for high-spec laptops, but it appears that I'm behind the times: apparently, the latest generation of USB-C can deliver up to 240W, rather than the previous 100W. In which case, it's less of an issue.)