Hulley's of Baslow

[Killingworth]

Trouble with Northern is, that by being the operator that tends to serve most stations, it has least priority.

Today Northern's problems seem to have been points related but Hathersage users would have been very happy for any bus alternative. Very late, stops passed and trains cancelled altogether. Fortunately most Hope Valley residents have recourse to some form of car back up.

Which brings us back to the fundamental issues surrounding public transport. The majority of travellers can manage without it, particularly in rural areas. It has to be reliable to attract those able to use cars.

 

[Goldfish62]

Trouble with Northern is, that by being the operator that tends to serve most stations, it has least priority.

No, it's because it's a terrible operator that can't provide a reliable service due to seemingly intractable staffing issues.

So a bit like Hulley's - getting us back on-topic.

 

[Omnidekkalover]

Took less than a year for Hulleys to effectively kill the 6

 

[markymark2000]

Took less than a year for Hulleys to effectively kill the 6

That's got to be some kind of achievement to be fair. Normally it's death by 50 service changes per year.

 

[Hyebone]

Took less than a year for Hulleys to effectively kill the 6

The same happened when Stagecoach packed in the 80. Hulleys tried to run it commercially and failed. It just so happened that Stagecoach didn't cancel the 5/38.

 

[zkyx02]

*bus industry gossip*

All the MMCs have now left the company with the eVoRas set to follow suit in an attempt to get some capital for the company.

Companies around Derbyshire have also been told to prepare for emergency tenders to appear, meaning plans are in place for *if* the public enquiry goes bad.

 

[Hyebone]

*bus industry gossip*

All the MMCs have now left the company with the eVoRas set to follow suit in an attempt to get some capital for the company.

Companies around Derbyshire have also been told to prepare for emergency tenders to appear, meaning plans are in place for *if* the public enquiry goes bad.

I was told by a pair of drivers on NYE that Hulleys were getting rid of the MMCs and opting to purchase/lease more Evoras as they are better vehicles.

I assume that's utter tripe then?

 

[Llandudno]

Took less than a year for Hulleys to effectively kill the 6

The 6 is/was a commercial basket case of a route though…!

 

[Trainman40083]

*bus industry gossip*

All the MMCs have now left the company with the eVoRas set to follow suit in an attempt to get some capital for the company.

Companies around Derbyshire have also been told to prepare for emergency tenders to appear, meaning plans are in place for *if* the public enquiry goes bad.

Yet only the other day, they were advertising for new drivers.

 

[Hyebone]

Yet only the other day, they were advertising for new drivers.

Conflicting information coming from all directions!

 

[Trainman40083]

Conflicting information coming from all directions!

Some.of the info may be right, and some wrong.

 

[tram21]

Yet only the other day, they were advertising for new drivers.

They temporarily stopped that, but I guess it's 'business as usual' until something changes.

 

[Trainman40083]

They temporarily stopped that, but I guess it's 'business as usual' until something changes.

Latest advert I have seen is January 13th

 

[Omnidekkalover]

Companies around Derbyshire have also been told to prepare for emergency tenders

Wouldn’t be surprised if stagecoach took over a few routes considering the 140s takeover, Peak sightseers, Matlock local service reshuffles and X17 enhancements in recent times

 

[m79900]

Wouldn’t be surprised if stagecoach took over a few routes considering the 140s takeover, Peak sightseers, Matlock local service reshuffles and X17 enhancements in recent times

I could see them taking over the 55, 63, 110/111 and 170 since they're in the right area. Obviously pure speculation and it might be that Hulleys survive.

 

[Omnidekkalover]

Should think Hulleys are likely to survive in the end

 

[Shaw S Hunter]

Should think Hulleys are likely to survive in the end

Totally agree. Traffic Commissioners very rarely take action to put operators out of business unless the case for doing so is overwhelming, that doesn't appear to be the case here. Far more likely is some attachment to the 'O' license enforcing some sort of restriction for a defined period, typically a reduction in maximum fleet size or a ban on registering additional mileage. Hulleys may well be adversely affected in some way by the outcome but talk of being shut down is just gossip led hysteria.

 

[tram21]

I would just add that they are also experiencing significant budget issues. So Traffic Commissioner or not they need to do something or they will shut themselves down...

 

[m79900]

I would just add that they are also experiencing significant budget issues. So Traffic Commissioner or not they need to do something or they will shut themselves down...

Beat me to it!

 

[Hyebone]

All the MMCs have now left the company with the eVoRas set to follow suit in an attempt to get some capital for the company.

See attached photo from tonight.

 

[AWK]

I would just add that they are also experiencing significant budget issues. So Traffic Commissioner or not they need to do something or they will shut themselves down...

And don't forget that every 5 years when an Operators Licence (OL) is renewed AND when called to a Public Inquiry (PI) the Traffic Commissioner (TC) will assess whether the Operator meets the Financial Standing requirements (as below). Failure to meet this can lead to the TC to revoke the OL at the PI even if the Operator goes unscathed at the PI on the grounds they were called.

I'll let those more able than me work out how many vehicles Hulley's have and thus what "cash in the bank" they need to be able to demonstrate!

"For public passenger vehicle operators, Regulation 5 of the Road Transport Operator Regulations 2011 states that a standard licence granted under the 1981 Act constitutes an authorisation to pursue the occupation of road passenger transport operator for the purposes of Regulation (EC) No 1071/2009. Article 7 of Regulation (EC) No 1071/2009 (as amended by The Licensing of Operators and International Road Haulage (Amendment etc.) (EU Exit) Regulations 2019) states that the rates to be applied to the first and each additional vehicle is set in Sterling as £8,000 and £4,500 respectively."

Source: https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...nance-march-2019/statutory-document-2-finance

 

[Omnidekkalover]

Or franchising gets the better of them in the next 10-15 years

 

[AWK]

Or franchising gets the better of them in the next 10-15 years

I'd be surprised if they were still here in the next 10 months!

 

[Stan Drews]

And don't forget that every 5 years when an Operators Licence (OL) is renewed AND when called to a Public Inquiry (PI) the Traffic Commissioner (TC) will assess whether the Operator meets the Financial Standing requirements (as below). Failure to meet this can lead to the TC to revoke the OL at the PI even if the Operator goes unscathed at the PI on the grounds they were called.

I'll let those more able than me work out how many vehicles Hulley's have and thus what "cash in the bank" they need to be able to demonstrate!

"For public passenger vehicle operators, Regulation 5 of the Road Transport Operator Regulations 2011 states that a standard licence granted under the 1981 Act constitutes an authorisation to pursue the occupation of road passenger transport operator for the purposes of Regulation (EC) No 1071/2009. Article 7 of Regulation (EC) No 1071/2009 (as amended by The Licensing of Operators and International Road Haulage (Amendment etc.) (EU Exit) Regulations 2019) states that the rates to be applied to the first and each additional vehicle is set in Sterling as £8,000 and £4,500 respectively."

Source: https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...nance-march-2019/statutory-document-2-finance

I’m fairly sure the financial standing ‘arithmetic’ is based upon the number of vehicles authorised on the Operators Licence, so not related to how many vehicles they might actually have at any particular point in time.

 

[Cesarcollie]

I’m fairly sure the financial standing ‘arithmetic’ is based upon the number of vehicles authorised on the Operators Licence, so not related to how many vehicles they might actually have at any particular point in time.

Indeed, and according to the DVSA site that number is 19.

 

[AWK]

Indeed, and according to the DVSA site that number is 19.

Quite, and slightly poor wording on my part when I said how many vehicles they had - I knew what I meant!

 

[Trainman40083]

See attached photo from tonight.

Have the Enviro 200MMCs 7531 to 7533 actually gone back, or do people think they have because the 55 stopped tracking when the timetable changed on Monday?

 

[Stan Drews]

Indeed, and according to the DVSA site that number is 19.

If the authorisation on the licence is 19, then the financial standing required would work out as 1 x 8,000 plus 18 x 4,500 which comes to 8,000+81,000, so £89,000.

 

[Omnidekkalover]

Wonder if Hulleys will end up joining wellglade like littles did

 

[zkyx02]

Wonder if Hulleys will end up joining wellglade like littles did

Why would wellglade buy a loss making operator? a very unliked one at that.

Littles has a very good customer base & is a pretty highly regarded operator, I can’t imagine hulleys passengers have much good to say about them anymore.