A law is strict liability if one can be convicted of breaking it without having an intent to do so. Many road traffic laws (speeding, drink-driving, etc.) are strict liability. Assault, on the other hand, is not (if I kick your leg when I'm walking down a train aisle because I didn't see you, that's not generally an offence).
As to why byelaw 18 is strict liability, I suspect it is for ease of prosecution more so than anything else.
- Wherever a section is silent as to mens rea there is a presumption that, in order to give effect to the will of Parliament, words importing mens rea must be read into the provision.
- It is a universal principle that if a penal provision is reasonably capable of two interpretations, that interpretation which is most favourable to the accused must be adopted.
- The fact that other sections of the Act expressly require mens rea is not in itself sufficient to justify a decision that a section which is silent as to mens rea creates an absolute offence. It is necessary to go outside the Act and examine all relevant circumstances in order to establish that this must have been the intention of Parliament.
Ralph
The conviction results in a criminal record consequences of which can be severe for people in certain professions. They can loose their jobs. There is a known case of a migrant who was refused Indefinite Leave to Remain on the basis that he had a criminal record as he was convicted under Section 18 of the byelaw
Under these circumstances, it can be implied that the severity of the consequences warrants application of Sweet Vs Parsely for prosecution under Byelaw 18
There are provisions in bye-laws which cover fare evasion, but in the vast majority of cases it will be appropriate to use the section 5 offence.
vast majority of cases
Not sure how that is relevant. Lots of people who are being prosecuted don't come on this forum (perhaps they should!). The number of cases on this forum bears no relation to the number of people actually being prosecuted.first of all the number of prosecutions that we hear are based on guilty pleas or admission of guilt.
Usually because there is absolutely no chance of success in their case.There is regular advice given to "apologize grovelling to the TOC" by posts in the forums. By doing so the defendant is admitting guilt.
No, as they are advised to apologise if there is no chance of success and the TOC's case is watertight anyway.Even if they were advised to apologize everyone should be advised to do so with the phrase "without prejudice" included in the title, which prevents the apology being used as evidence of guilt in the court.
Fare evasion is usually prosecuted under s5 RRA as intent can be pretty easy to prove in fare evasion cases.Coming back to the strict liability clause of byelaws. I am not a lawyer. But this is what the Crown Prosecution Service guidance on prosecution for Fare Evasion states
c) CPS has the option to intervenewill contact the private prosecutor and invite them to supply you(CPS) with a complete set of the papers they intend to use to support their prosecution
A private prosecution should be taken over and stopped if, upon review of the case papers, either the evidential sufficiency stage or the public interest stage of the Full Code Test is not met.
Ah, so the hundreds and hundreds of lawyers who have defended people accused of strict liability offences on the railway, over the last x years, have all missed this trick.
As the majority of passengers charged with a S.18 Byelaw Offence will already have been detected having committed the Strict Liability Offence (and a Statement taken which confirms the facts), then there is not very much impact following from their admission or not, simply the amount of written and/or oral evidence which may need to be presented. Preparation of that evidence will, however, have a significant bearing on the level of Costs the TOC's Prosecutor will be seeking.kg94sat said:first of all the number of prosecutions that we hear are based on guilty pleas or admission of guilt. And people not attending to challenge the prosecution in court.
I think ralphchadkirk has responded adequately. I will only repeat my comment above that the admission of Guilt or otherwise in a Strict Liability matter will have little consequence for the Judgement, there is little prospect of success in a Not Guilty Plea; but it is likely to affect the level of Costs.kg94sat said:There is regular advice given to "apologize grovelling to the TOC" by posts in the forums. By doing so the defendant is admitting guilt. Even if they were advised to apologize everyone should be advised to do so with the phrase "without prejudice" included in the title, which prevents the apology being used as evidence of guilt in the court.
There are general practice High Street solicitors who will assist a Client accused of a ticketing Offence, and they will rely on their experience in general Criminal Proceedings before a Hearing in a Magistrates Court, and do so with reasonable prospects (in my opinion) based on that experience. There are merely a handful of Solicitors with Railway Ticketing expert knowledge, and sadly, the want of that knowledge may occassionally result in a Conviction or OOC Settlement which might have been avoidable.As for the hundreds of lawyers that AlterEgo mentions, I am curious to know where that number comes from
As for the hundreds of lawyers that AlterEgo mentions, I am curious to know where that number comes from
Dave
My comment about "Without Prejudice" is in reference to the "Notice of Intention to Prosecute" that the TOCs send before the actual prosecution commences. A grovelling apology as a reply to this letter is admission of guilt if the line "Without Prejudice" is not included in the reply.
Sorry, Ferret, I don't think I quite follow your question.
Representation is available whether or not a Witness Statement has been made (and whether or not the Statement was taken in compliance with PACE guidelines). Perhaps you were more interested to know how one would go about preparing a Defence AFTER learning that one's Client had already made a Witness Statement which appeared to confirm Guilt?
If that's what you're interested in then I guess the procedure is very similar to any of the popular Criminal matters in which the Police may take a Statement from a Suspect at an early stage in their enquiries and before the Suspect has instructed a Solicitor.
Much would depend on the details, but if a S.18 Byelaw Offence was being pursued against a Passenger who had already made some sort of admission, then I could imagine a good 30 - 60 minutes worth of questionning to see what avenues remained open for further pursuit. There's usually some chink or other that allows daylight through!
Realistically, it all includes an element of value for money - to take an extreme example, if the Defence team sought to Question several Witnesses in Court, the costs may become disproportionate to the benefit of securing a Prosecution. All Court Hearings should be pragmatic - its usually the inexperienced who are representing themselves that carry on incurring costs despite diminishing prospects, based solely on some sense of principle.
Returning to Statements taken under Caution, I will say that some that I have seen fall short of the standards which I'd expect from a PACE - trained interviewer.