Driverless Cars - the future?

jon0844 · 12 May 2012

You couldn't roll out driverless cars without all the other infrastructure at the same time, as at the start the system would be less developed than later on.

If anything you would build all the special fenced off roads and then one day be able to remove them again when AI has advanced to the level Zoe believes will happen.

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Zoe · 12 May 2012

jonmorris0844 said:
You couldn't roll out driverless cars without all the other infrastructure at the same time, as at the start the system would be less developed than later on.

Google have been testing driverless cars on existing infrastruture and so far these tests have gone very well.

GB · 12 May 2012

That is still a world away from what you have been suggesting tho.

Zoe · 12 May 2012

GB said:
That is still a world away from what you have been suggesting tho.

Well the technology still has a long way to go for that but there may be some driverless cars on the road within ten years.

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/public/ingear/article1026098.ece

The Sunday Times said:
Driverless cars could be on the road sooner than previously thought, according to Google, the internet search giant that has pioneered the technology. The company says that it is already in talks with major motor manufacturers about licensing the software that would allow buyers to read a paper or check emails while their vehicle gets on with driving them to their destination, and that it could be seen in a production car within 10 years.

90019 · 12 May 2012

Zoe said:
Kids can do that now but in general they don't.

I can assure you, they do.

Zoe · 12 May 2012

90019 said:
I can assure you, they do.

They risk their lives by deliberately running out in front of traffic? There may well be some kids that do this but I'm not sure it would be the case in general.

GB · 12 May 2012

Yet another reason to think you don't actually drive.

...anyway, here is a link to counter yours

http://www.mobiledia.com/news/142234.html

Edit: Another quick edit by Zoe I see

exile · 12 May 2012

Zoe said:
They risk their lives by deliberately running out in front of traffic? There may well be some kids that do this but I'm not sure it would be the case in general.

I've had kids run out in front of my car - which was doing 40 at the time - in a game of "chicken"

Anyway I can't see this catching on as it would be seen by motorists as a form of public transport. Drivers like to feel they're in control - so what's more likely to succeed is a system of warnings.

Zoe · 12 May 2012

GB said:
Yet another reason to think you don't actually drive.

Regardless of if someone drives or not it's very likely they will have used a car at some point and will have witnessed any kids deliberately running out in front of traffic.

Edit: Another quick edit by Zoe I see

I very often edit my posts, not just in this topic.
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exile said:
I've had kids run out in front of my car - which was doing 40 at the time - in a game of "chicken"

Well in that case it would seem the kids don't fully appreciate the serious consequences playing that game can have.

ainsworth74 · 12 May 2012

Zoe said:
Regardless of if someone drives or not it's very likely they will have used a car at some point and will have witnessed any kids deliberately running out in front of traffic.

Straw pole of all the drivers on this thread:

Has a child ever run out in front of you whilst driving, yes or no?

ainsworth74: Yes.

gswindale · 12 May 2012

Zoe said:
They risk their lives by deliberately running out in front of traffic? There may well be some kids that do this but I'm not sure it would be the case in general.

I don't think the kids will think of it as deliberately running out in front of traffic.

They're children who could be happily playing but their ball bounces into the road. Without a thought they run out to retrieve it. You come along at 30 and smack em down.

Was that a deliberate attempt to cause a potentially fatal accident?

Other than better education from parents in respect of road safety, what can be done to avoid these sorts of situations?

90019 · 12 May 2012

Zoe said:
They risk their lives by deliberately running out in front of traffic?

Yes.

Have a look at what I do for a living.
I spend the majority of my working day driving, and I do quite a lot of driving in my spare time, too. I have plenty of experience of what people do and don't do on the roads, which it is quite clear you don't.
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Zoe said:
Well in that case it would seem the kids don't fully appreciate the serious consequences playing that game can have.

No sh*t, Sherlock.

GB · 12 May 2012

ainsworth74 said:
Straw pole of all the drivers on this thread:

Has a child ever run out in front of you whilst driving, yes or no?

ainsworth74: Yes.

Yes, I have also had kids on cycles riding towards me on the wrong side of the road round a bend.

Zoe · 12 May 2012

gswindale said:
I don't think the kids will think of it as deliberately running out in front of traffic.

They're children who could be happily playing but their ball bounces into the road. Without a thought they run out to retrieve it. You come along at 30 and smack em down.

Was that a deliberate attempt to cause a potentially fatal accident?

That's one thing but earlier it was suggested that kids would try and disrupt the driverless system by running out in front of the cars.
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90019 said:
I spend the majority of my working day driving, and I do quite a lot of driving in my spare time, too. I have plenty of experience of what people do and don't do on the roads, which it is quite clear you don't.

You can get experience of what people do on the roads regardless of if you drive or not. These kids clearly need to be prevented from playing this stupid game.

GB · 12 May 2012

You never heard of the game "chicken"?

Zoe · 12 May 2012

GB said:
You never heard of the game "chicken"?

I have but it's rather stupid and I wouldn't have hoped most kids would be sensible enough not to play it. I certainly wouldn't have played it.

DaveNewcastle · 12 May 2012

ainsworth74 said:
Has a child ever run out in front of you whilst driving, yes or no?

Yes.

Several times.

I'm aquainted with one man who deliberatey steps out in front of reversing commercial vehicles (by 'front' I mean to the rear while reversing) in the hope of another compensation payment.

Its one thing to claim that "the driver was unaware but had taken care to view his/her mirors and had satisfied him/herself that there was no one behind the vehicle", but its another can of liability worms to claim that "the software developers had taken care . . . ". Just who would be liable? The inactive driver, the suppliers. the software developers? They'd all have disclaimers.
Or, to put my primary concern about driverless cars from my few posts into just 8 words :
There is a liability. Where is the responsibility?

GB · 12 May 2012

Zoe said:
I have but it's rather stupid and I wouldn't have hoped most kids would be sensible enough not to play it. I certainly wouldn't have played it.

Children do stupid things when they are growing up, its pretty much a fact of life.

Zoe · 12 May 2012

GB said:
Children do stupid things when they are growing up, its pretty much a fact of life.

Well I certainly didn't do anything like that and regardless of how many people told me it was funny, I still wouldn't have done it.

GB · 12 May 2012

Good for you, doesn't change anything tho.

Zoe · 12 May 2012

GB said:
Good for you, doesn't change anything tho.

The point is that kids clearly don't have to do things like that.

GB · 12 May 2012

Zoe said:
You can get experience of what people do on the roads regardless of if you drive or not. These kids clearly need to be prevented from playing this stupid game.

You can't even begin to get the same level of experience or more importantly, anticipation, as someone who drives.
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Zoe said:
The point is that kids clearly don't have to do things like that.

That is not the point and you know it. The point is there are people out there that do such things.

Zoe · 12 May 2012

GB said:
That is not the point and you know it. The point is there are people out there that do such things.

I know the point of what I said and it is that kids do not have to do stupid things like run out in front of traffic.
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GB said:
You can't even begin to get the same level of experience or more importantly, anticipation, as someone who drives.things.

This is not relevant to the question of if kids do or do not run out in front of cars, this can be witnessed by people other than the driver. It is also possible for other people in the vehicle to notice kids by the side of the road and expect or not expect them to run out.

GB · 12 May 2012

My god...head, brick walls and circles spring to mind.:roll:
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Anticipation is a key part of driving a motor vehicle in which kids playing chicken is only part of it.

Zoe · 12 May 2012

GB said:
Anticipation is a key part of driving a motor vehicle in which kids playing chicken is only part of it.

It's possible to anticipate what is going on without actually driving the vehicle yourself. The Hazard Perception Test does not involve any driving but still requires people that take it to respond to the hazards.

Peter Mugridge · 12 May 2012

If I may throw a spanner into the works with this concept:

http://yahoo.carsales.com.au/news/2012/volkswagen/vw-unveils-wacky-hover-car-30248

( But don't get too worried about it; much of the video is CGI - at best, if the thing even exists, it will only have been levitated in one test room, not out on the highway as shown. It's basically a Maglev without a physical track, but the cost of fitting the EM infrastructure will mean it will never be viable and a full national infrastructure would probably consume far more energy than conventional vehicles do. )

jon0844 · 12 May 2012

Zoe said:
Google have been testing driverless cars on existing infrastruture and so far these tests have gone very well.

Except they're not and never have been driverless.

90019 · 12 May 2012

Zoe said:
I certainly wouldn't have played it.

You definitely weren't a normal child.

S19 · 12 May 2012

Zoe said:
I have but it's rather stupid and I wouldn't have hoped most kids would be sensible enough not to play it. I certainly wouldn't have played it.

Good for you.

Most of us on here must be stupid then, as most of us must've played it as some point.

When you're a child you do daft things.

After reading this thread, I have come to the conclusion that you're not real, and must be some sort of 'bot', programmed to beat the drum about a fantasy of automation and computers.

jon0844 · 12 May 2012

Zoe said:
I know the point of what I said and it is that kids do not have to do stupid things like run out in front of traffic.

Great. Tell all the kids and there won't be any children run over ever again.

Then tell people not to run on railway tracks. And for people not to steal. Or murder.

What planet are you living on? Presumably one where driverless cars are just 8-10 years from becoming reality?

Zoe said:
It's possible to anticipate what is going on without actually driving the vehicle yourself. The Hazard Perception Test does not involve any driving but still requires people that take it to respond to the hazards.

And is this where you failed your test, hence not having a licence?

S19 said:
After reading this thread, I have come to the conclusion that you're not real, and must be some sort of 'bot', programmed to beat the drum about a fantasy of automation and computers.

That would explain it. Zoe is in fact Skynet trying to gain support for computers taking over the world (and failing miserably it must be said).

I think I'll have to show this thread to a fellow journalist who is the online editor of Wired.co.uk - as I'm sure Wired will have written about this technology at some point. I wonder if he thinks they'll be running in 8-10 years.

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