martinsh
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Except when Southwell races are on !! I take the point though, even in the 1960s most trains didn't stop at Rolleston (though they diod stop everywhere else).
Try getting to Grantham from Carlton !
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Except when Southwell races are on !! I take the point though, even in the 1960s most trains didn't stop at Rolleston (though they diod stop everywhere else).
Try getting to Grantham from Carlton !
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Eire Sprinter
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That's an interesting point regarding proximity - there would appear to be a definite catchment overlap between Ty Croes and Rhosneigr though (my view) would feel Bodorgan has its own catchment. That said all Ynys Mon/Anglesey stations are experiencing growth and the usage figures are quite good and wouldn't like to see any of them closing. Another factor for some of these stations is that the train provides a fast (and direct) link to both Bangor and Holyhead whereas local bus routes and roads can be more circuitous. There was a vehicle exhibition on in recent years somewhere near Bodorgan and the only realistic way for a friend to get back to Holyhead for the ferry home was a local bus to near Bodorgan station and the train to Holyhead.
Doleham station sounds interesting - that it's named after a farm.
Rational Plan
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But both stations are quite busy. Twickenham and Richmond are very busy and the roads outside them are terrible. They both serve important relief to the main stations.
Firesprite
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You seem to have missed the large Trading Park built on the site of the old cordite factory. Which the station serves apart from the Sandy Balls Park and the village of Sandford.
SprinterMan
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Going the other way on the North Wales line, I would like so see the reopening of Garewen, Menai Bridge, Mostyn, Connah's Quay and Holywell Junction (as Holywell Parkway) :P
cjp
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Chicken and Egg situation.
I do not use it as there too few trains.
Sudbury Town tube does not get me out to Oxfordshire
and the nearby stations on the line are not so near by foot or public transport.
I end up having to go into Central London to catch a train out
starrymarkb
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Because people have too much of an emotional attachment at times. Beeching also gave us Freightliner and proposed improving the lines that were left.
A lot of the seaside lines would be suffering today due to the increasing affordability of foreign travel through the likes of Thomas Cook and other package operators in the 1970s and 80s followed by the growth of Easyjet and Ryanair in the internet age. Plus with the growth of the private car an irregular rail service to a junction station in the middle of nowhere becomes less attractive..
Something to bear in mine is the relative yields some small stations might get a handful of passengers per day, but if they are regularly buying high price First Open Returns...
Fiskerton gets a lot of commuter traffic.
Rolleston is useful for the Racecourse.
Netherfield saves me having to go into Nottingham to go to Manchester or Skeg - the fact not many people know what trains run there, it's seen as "pointless"
Elton and Orston is good for dumping Fare Dodgers.
The ones that don't get much traffic are Bleasby and Thurgarton.
The Coryton branch is in need of some rationalisation.
From the Coryton end there are 6 Stations with just 2 1/4 miles from first to last.
Edit - from the Coryton end, the distances between stations (in chains) are:
31,27,41,17,71.
From the Coryton end there are 6 Stations with just 2 1/4 miles from first to last.
Edit - from the Coryton end, the distances between stations (in chains) are:
31,27,41,17,71.
Eagle
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Sandford is far better served by Wareham station (which is actually in Northport). And the trading park hardly generates much passenger traffic. Trust me, I've seen it.
Holton Heath has usage figures less than one tenth of the nearby Wareham.
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Approx annual usage figures for 2010/11:
Coryton: 285,000
Whitchurch: 5,000
Rhiwbina: 27,000
Birchgrove: 18,000
Ty Glas: 90,000
Heath Lower: 36,000
.......wonder which one should be "rationalised"?
bladesman123
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Darnall Station, Sheffield.
Because no one ever uses Darnall - ever.
Because no one ever uses Darnall - ever.
I don't think any stations should be closed irrespective of their usage, in fact I'd go further and say that every stop should be neatly planned for a poet and a one-man band.
HSTEd
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Do many of these stations have significant upkeep costs though?
Even Ardwick, which seems to have lighting and the like, seems to have lighting in the surrounding trackwork which appears to be for the benefit of permenant way teams, and so likely the only costs are the marginal costs of a couple of low energy streetlights.
Even a handful of tickets sold that might otherwise be lsot could justify this .
Even Ardwick, which seems to have lighting and the like, seems to have lighting in the surrounding trackwork which appears to be for the benefit of permenant way teams, and so likely the only costs are the marginal costs of a couple of low energy streetlights.
Even a handful of tickets sold that might otherwise be lsot could justify this .
Firesprite
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30,000 passengers, That a fair amount for usage, When you consider the main
traffic flow is from the Trading Park, The traffic has doubled in the last few years.
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tbtc
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They all need to be maintained to a decent standard (to avoid people suing for injuring themselves on neglected infrastructure etc), all need to be upgraded (e.g. for DDA reasons), there's the disruption of slowing trains down...
Ivo
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These figures are hopelessly unreliable. Far more tickets are sold to some of the intermediate stations than these values suggest; it is just the time available often results in tickets not being sold to/from the correct location (I suspect a fair amount of ticket-less travel between stations also exists owing to the Guard being unable to cover the whole train).
telstarbox
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Possibly. But the branch is served by one service in each direction every 30 minutes. It's not as if closing any or all of the stations between Coryton and Heath would mean more services could or would run on the branch.
tbtc
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Hmm, should we take the numbers of ticketless passengers into account (when justifying a station's existence)?
I don't know, I'm asking a hypothetical question.
frodshamfella
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Think Widnes is a pretty busy station
HSTEd
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Well in my opinion we should do so. But that's just me. The number of people using the station is a far better metric for its social and economic worth to the community than the income derived it by the railway.
Requeststop
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Oh No No No No No No No. In almost every case making a station a request stop deters passengers using the station. In my home village we are hoping that Lelant will regain it's stopping status when the St. Erth park and ride opens and then the Lelant Saltings platform can be demolished. Most of the village lives closer to the Lelant station. By the way the intermediate stations on the St.Ives Branch have not had staff for 40-45 years.
transmanche
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But then you'd have to change your forum name!
Surprised no-one has mentioned rationalising the Cambrian. I know (from experience) that the line is pretty much a law to itself (many years ago I did a trip on the coast section where the driver had his arm in plaster AND his dog with him - and he drove perfectly!) but some of the stations surely can go?
Penhelig is only a mile from Aberdyfi ; Torfanua anyone? As for the three stations on the approach to Penrhyndeudraeth ... Surely two could go? (Tygwyn,Talsarnau and Llandecwyn - three stations in 2 miles!) Why Morfa Mawddach? Any walkers could easily go to Fairbourne.
Actually you could feasibly just have the following:
Aberdyfi, Tywyn, Fairbourne, Barmouth, (maybe one in here) Harlech , Penrhyndeudraeth, Minffordd (only for the interchange mind you!), Porthmadog, Criccieth and Pwllheli and I doubt anyone would be disrupted too much.
The Coast has too many stations; the Shrewsbury to Aber section too few ....
Penhelig is only a mile from Aberdyfi ; Torfanua anyone? As for the three stations on the approach to Penrhyndeudraeth ... Surely two could go? (Tygwyn,Talsarnau and Llandecwyn - three stations in 2 miles!) Why Morfa Mawddach? Any walkers could easily go to Fairbourne.
Actually you could feasibly just have the following:
Aberdyfi, Tywyn, Fairbourne, Barmouth, (maybe one in here) Harlech , Penrhyndeudraeth, Minffordd (only for the interchange mind you!), Porthmadog, Criccieth and Pwllheli and I doubt anyone would be disrupted too much.
The Coast has too many stations; the Shrewsbury to Aber section too few ....
Eagle
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Where would you put in extra stations on this route? The only place I could see that might work would be Cemmaes Road, or perhaps Llanbrynmair, but even then only really to connect with buses to other parts of mid Wales.
Carno I suspect would be a candidate as well
A successful GWR idea, the low-platform halt. They used retractable steps on the sides of auto-coaches, but the principle is the same.
dk1
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Very few weekend visitors go by rail unfortunatley. Most Sundays it seems to be one man & his dog from Brandon. Saying that i did pick up a couple of passengers heading back to Newcastle a few weeks back. Never sure why it wasn't called Lakenheath Road like similar stations on the route that are away from their respective villages.
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