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5195 and 6195 were on low loaders at 16.00 yesterday when I passed Northwood sidings, when I went past again at 18.30 they had gone
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NY Yankee
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After doing some research, I realised that the subsurface routes (like the Metropolitan and District lines) have a wider gauge than the deep tube routes (Jubilee, Central). Is the S Stock too big for the deep tube routes? If so, will they be getting their own new carriages?
It is to out of gauge on the deep routes and they are due to start receiving a new design I think somewhere in the region of 2016-18. So far only Siemens have announced the outline of their design for the new rolling stock and you can see it here. Neither Alstom or Bombardier have announced anything (as far as I know).
Yes, another two sets were shipped up to Northwood yesterday.
5194 and 6194 were loaded and waiting to depart at 09:00 this morning. 5040+6040 had been parted from 6041+5041 and were awaiting splitting.
Two more 'S' stock deliveries this week, Monday night and last night. Deliveries have now reached the mid 90s, barring eight or nine earlier sets that have either been delivered and are in use for testing or artisan training or have not yet left Asfordby.
The A60/A62s are now noticeably less visible - in fact yesterday at Baker Street I saw six consecutive trains of 'S' stock before any 'A' stock appeared.
Yes, there's quite a difference in size, as this photo from Wikipedia illustrates:
As for why, they don't use larger stock on the tube lines, this photo shows the problem!
NY Yankee
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Damn. It seems like anyone over 1.6 meters would have a hard time fitting in the deep tube carriages. Were the people who built the original section of the Tube that tiny? The carriages are ridiculously small.
You just have to duck down when boarding then slouch on the inside (unless you're standing in the middle of the train). It's no that bad (speaking as someone who is 1.87m tall).
Well they probably were smaller than people today (what with the poorer nutrition back then compared with now), but I believe the main reason why the deep tube lines are small is simply that those are the biggest lines that could be afforded and built with the technology of the day.
They're not as small as you think from those photos. Not as small as the Glasgow Underground trains, that's for sure! You'll notice that they're of similar width, and run on the same track gauge however- indeed, there's several sections where "tube" and "sub surface" trains share tracks and platforms.
The problem with tunneling back then was that it was manual. So to bore a bigger tunnel cost more- more labour, slower. These days, with machine, the only big extra cost from boring a larger tunnel is disposal of the spoil.
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Deep tube trains actually aren't as small as you'd think!
RailwaysToday
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How many are going to Eastleigh and will the ones that go there be scrapped on site or just stored for a while before being moved to a scrap merchant? Did 5000 go to Eastleigh? I'd assumed it was going to Rotherham as that's where most seem to have gone.
317666
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As far as I'm aware, cars 5000 and 6000 went to Eastleigh, with the remainder going straight to Booth's.
Peter Mugridge
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Quite a number have been demolished at Eastleigh on site, yes.
What I'm not sure of is the percentage going to Eastleigh compared to Rotherham.
What I'm not sure of is the percentage going to Eastleigh compared to Rotherham.
Simon Poole
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How many A60/A62 Stock are left on the London Underground
Also would be nice to preserve one, especially of the Met 150 next year
Also would be nice to preserve one, especially of the Met 150 next year
astock5000
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18 8-car trains in service, one train withdrawn today but still at Neasden depot, and two 4-car units for use as Rail Adhesion Trains (with two extra trailers which have been / are being converted).
bluegoblin7
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Plenty of A stock out today though the S stock is definitely more noticeable - I seem to be lucky in that every time I change trains it's an A stock that's appearing first! 7 units out for certain today, possibly more as that's only KX-Harrow-on-the-Hill...
Jack (on 5114 at Wembley Park!)
Jack (on 5114 at Wembley Park!)
Peter Mugridge
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A Stock situation off peak on Monday 14th May.
5106 + 5098
5060 + 5090
5012 + 5180
5118 + 5024
5230 + 5034
5218 + 5122
5022 + 5112
5116 + 5120
That's it.
Just 8 diagrams off peak.
We are in the endgame. :cry:
5080 + 5092 were also running, but unfortunately that was diagram 717, the one way trip to Northwood. It was a bit late; 12.48 through Wembley Park - the time it is supposed to be coasting into Northwood siding.
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Monday 21st May, off peak, not all diagrams covered due to lack of time:
5034 + 5230
5060 + 5090*
5096 + 5108
5062 + 5104
5122 + 5218
5134 + 5xxx ( might have been 5116? )
5012 + 5180
*Suddenly removed from service at Harrow on the Hill while working a well loaded Baker Street service and ran ecs to Neasden. I fear the worst...
Note: 5106 + 5098 went on train 717 to Northwood today.:cry:
For the noise fans, 5230 seems louder than the others.
5106 + 5098
5060 + 5090
5012 + 5180
5118 + 5024
5230 + 5034
5218 + 5122
5022 + 5112
5116 + 5120
That's it.
Just 8 diagrams off peak.
We are in the endgame. :cry:
5080 + 5092 were also running, but unfortunately that was diagram 717, the one way trip to Northwood. It was a bit late; 12.48 through Wembley Park - the time it is supposed to be coasting into Northwood siding.
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Monday 21st May, off peak, not all diagrams covered due to lack of time:
5034 + 5230
5060 + 5090*
5096 + 5108
5062 + 5104
5122 + 5218
5134 + 5xxx ( might have been 5116? )
5012 + 5180
*Suddenly removed from service at Harrow on the Hill while working a well loaded Baker Street service and ran ecs to Neasden. I fear the worst...
Note: 5106 + 5098 went on train 717 to Northwood today.:cry:
For the noise fans, 5230 seems louder than the others.
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wowbagger
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Saw 2 low-loaders with carriages on this morning heading south down the M3 passing Winchester.
Guess they were off to be scrapped at Eastleigh?
Sorry - no numbers as I was heading north.
Guess they were off to be scrapped at Eastleigh?
Sorry - no numbers as I was heading north.
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5098/5099 double ender.
12CSVT
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Sorry it has taken a few days get round to posting this but the following were working on Wednesday 23rd May.
5012+5180
5116+5120
5022+5112
5024+5118
5060+5090
5100+5188
5096+5108
5230+5034
5122+5218
5016+5168
5062+5104
5114+5202
5094+5102
5160+5134
Coaches 5099 and 6099 were at Northwood awaiting the grim reaper.
5012+5180
5116+5120
5022+5112
5024+5118
5060+5090
5100+5188
5096+5108
5230+5034
5122+5218
5016+5168
5062+5104
5114+5202
5094+5102
5160+5134
Coaches 5099 and 6099 were at Northwood awaiting the grim reaper.
Peter Mugridge
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I am told that 5016 and 5168 departed for Northwood on train 717 today. Also that apparently the preserved unit will now be 5112 and not 5116; it appears that 5116 contains at least one carriage that was involved in the Kilburn accident and it has been ruled out for that reason.
Indeed, 5168 5016 did depart us yesterday. I feel like a mass murderer, I seem to be being on duty for all of the scrap runs :3
causton
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Don't feel too bad - it made for some interesting viewing!
Click for full photo
By -Causton-, on Flickr
And a video but it seems Flickr has ruined the quality
http://www.flickr.com/photos/0causton0/7294391338/
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I used one of the new S Stock yesterday between Kings Cross St Pancras and Moorgate, big differences between the two and it shows.
Going to miss the old style seating in the A Stock but the S Stock looks and feels great,
Going to miss the old style seating in the A Stock but the S Stock looks and feels great,
it'll certainly be a little odd once the District, H&C and Circle have their S7 fleets- Met passengers from between Aldgate and Baker Street especially will have to pay a little more attention to the displays, rather than simply getting on the first train that looks right!
(on which, there's no station served currently by A C and D stock is there? Closest the A/S8 get to D-Stock is I think whilst they sit at the buffer stops at Aldgate as District Line services pass across the junction? obviously out of service units to/from the ELL passed through Aldgate East in the past)
(on which, there's no station served currently by A C and D stock is there? Closest the A/S8 get to D-Stock is I think whilst they sit at the buffer stops at Aldgate as District Line services pass across the junction? obviously out of service units to/from the ELL passed through Aldgate East in the past)
Mutant Lemming
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Going to miss the old style seating in the A stock ,
...so will many other of the additional standees
causton
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I'll miss having room to stand rather than being cramped into the corner of an A stock because I couldn't find the ex-guard's seats in time
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Apart from when 'A' stock used to run ECS to and from the East London Line, I don't think they have ever shared the same tracks as 'D' stock in normal service. In those days, Whitechapel would have been served by A, C and D stock, albeit on different platforms.
Metrailway
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There used to be regular District Line 'Wimbleware' services to Aldgate and stations on the north end of the Circle but this ended in 1972 so the A Stock would have shared with the D78 stock's predecessors the R Stock. District Line provided trains for Circle services on Sundays until 1990 but these were (to my knowledge) worked by C Stock.
Pic (not mine) of C Stock to Wimbledon at Farringdon (in the 80s I think):
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24772733@N05/2740938023/
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So how long left? If I want a ride on the A-stock when roughly will be the latest I can go to London? Will there be more A-stock running as some have to go back to Derby?
Also a few not unrelated questions,
When is the C & D stock (I like them as well) expected to be gone by? I know the S7's are starting on the Hammersmith & City line almost immediatly after the S8's have arrived.
Will the S7's be able to run Met line services in an emergency (and vice-versa)?
Thanks in advance.
Also a few not unrelated questions,
When is the C & D stock (I like them as well) expected to be gone by? I know the S7's are starting on the Hammersmith & City line almost immediatly after the S8's have arrived.
Will the S7's be able to run Met line services in an emergency (and vice-versa)?
Thanks in advance.
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There were at least 14 trains of A stock in service last Wednesday (one of which has since been withdrawn). The message is that it isn't too late to see them in service, but it soon will be.
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