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Any news about the Chiltern Power-door Mk3s yet?

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ChristopherJ

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Finally - they should of been built like this from the beginning - it's only took the best part of 30 years for it to become reality... :roll:
 

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Finally - they should of been built like this from the beginning - it's only took the best part of 30 years for it to become reality... :roll:

Well, not really. The "International Train" was a BR Mk3 with power doors.
 

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The entire Irish Rail Intercity Mark 3 fleet had power doors. They probably wouldn't have been RVAR-compliant disabled friendly however.
 

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From this week the new Auto doors MKIII set started running, however the set has now been turned so the 67 is on the North end from London.
It works the following
0619 Moor St-MYB
0837 MYB- Moor St
1055 Moor St- MYB
1646 MYB -Moor St
Looks rather smart and sounds even better climbing the bank at Cranfield Gardens from the Hampstead Tunnel. Does anyone know how the set was turned?
 

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I would guess the set has been turned on the triangle at the back of Doncasters wabtec works/west yard lines as I often see the odd DVT and other things going round there so that they are facing the right way, of course they may only have switched the DVT and the 67, but if everything has been turned it would have been done one coach at a time due to length restrictions.
Hope This Helps Chris
 

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I would guess the set has been turned on the triangle at the back of Doncasters wabtec works/west yard lines as I often see the odd DVT and other things going round there so that they are facing the right way, of course they may only have switched the DVT and the 67, but if everything has been turned it would have been done one coach at a time due to length restrictions.
Hope This Helps Chris
The set underwent a period of ghost running on the Chiltern line between Wembley and Birmingham Moor Street from Monday 14th May to Friday 25th May, during which the set was formed with the loco at the London end and the DVT at the "country" end as per usual. It was only turned, and the entire rake has been turned so that the "Business zone" vehicle still matches up against the DVT, prior to the last day of these trials, so Doncaster had nothing to do with it in this case.

That much is detailed in the main Chiltern power-door mark 3 thread, although I can't recall that it states where the set was turned.
 

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The set was turned by running via South Ruislip Greenford, Acton and Neasden and onto Wembley LMD. The set was turned so that the doors could all the tested under the extremes of cant - for example at Warwick Parkway on the up.
 

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I would guess the set has been turned on the triangle at the back of Doncasters wabtec works/west yard lines as I often see the odd DVT and other things going round there so that they are facing the right way, of course they may only have switched the DVT and the 67, but if everything has been turned it would have been done one coach at a time due to length restrictions.
Hope This Helps Chris

I presume it got spun at Hatton. The reason it got spun was because in testing it was stopping more often on the down than on the up and they wanted to test the doors on both sides of the train an equal number of times. It's staying in reverse formation for a while just to see how things go, particularly with regards to complains about noise at Marylebone.
 

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The power door set was turned during the middle weekend of the test running as far as I'm aware, it ran with the loco at the south end from Monday 14th May 2012 and with the loco at the north end from Monday 21st May, the whole set being turned via the route as mentioned above.*

Photo of the set here with 67014 at the north end on Tuesday 22nd May at Haddenham & Thame Parkway:

GMPI1190667014HaddenhamStn5R00-L.jpg


67014 was replaced by 67013 on Friday 25th May for the last day of the test runs and the final up run was due to include a turning move so as to have the loco on the south end again. This part of the run was cancelled and the train remains with the loco on the north end.

As I understand it, there are some at Chiltern who would prefer all the sets to be this way round so that the DVT and Business Zone is at the bufferstops in Marylebone and the 67s can be kept out of the trainshed.

The locos being on the south end is something of a legacy from WSMR when it was deemed easier to change locos at Wrexham, if necessary, where the stabling bays faced south and initially the short formation trains used platform 4 at Marylebone so the locos were not under the main roof.

There is a bit of blurb on Chiltern's website to say that this formation with the business zone at the south end is a "Trial" for the week from 28th May to 1st June, so whether the set will then be turned again I don't know...

http://www.chilternrailways.co.uk/tickets-and-times/hows-my-train-running?check=N#0

Cheers, Geoff

*Edit. The route above means from Wembley to South Ruislip, Greenford South, West Ealing, Acton Wells and Neasden Curve back to Wembley (or vice versa), not via the triangle at Hatton...
 
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Surely having the business zone first up to the buffers is a good selling point to the service - those passengers would be first onto the taxi rank / Underground station, both of which I assume get quite busy when a loco hauled set arrives.
 

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Another one of the "Silver" sets has just worked up from Aylesbury depot to Wembley LMD, running ECS as 5F94, departing at 15:00. This had 82301 on the south end and 67012 on the north end. Whether this was the set that had the faulty air-conditioning or the out of commission Business Zone coach I don't know (it did have TSO 12175 in the set).

This may have been turned prior to going to Aylesbury depot as 67s are not allowed inside the depot due to their axle-loading, but I gather the set was not going to be turned en route back to Wembley, so that presumably makes two sets with the loco on the north end of the rake.

Cheers, Geoff
 

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Slightly off topic, i was wondering if any of you guys got any photos of the blue/grey/ex virgin set with the Arriva DVT on its test run to Stourbridge Jn that took place on Wednesday evening, as there was a sizable gallery at Leamington - although no doubt they were there for 8X09
 

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Does anyone know where 82302 is. It was the only DVT ever painted into Chiltern blue. Has it gone for a repaint into WSMR silver or to have a generator fitted or all or none of the above? I assume 82307 is on hire to cover for it. This is what wikipedia says anyway. Do all the silver DVTs have generators now?

Adam :D
 

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Does anyone know where 82302 is. It was the only DVT ever painted into Chiltern blue.
I vaugly recall a post on this or another fourm saying it was off to get a generator fitted, and possibly to get a repaint at the same time.
 

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How did it come to get painted into Chiltern blue during Wrexham and Shropshire times as it was never then used for Chiltern?
 

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How did it come to get painted into Chiltern blue during Wrexham and Shropshire times as it was never then used for Chiltern?

I think the original reason was that it was to be the first DVT used on Chiltern services, although in the end we know that Wrexham and Shropshire donated their entire fleet, so I presume it then made more sense to stick with their livery.
 

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I think the original reason was that it was to be the first DVT used on Chiltern services, although in the end we know that Wrexham and Shropshire donated their entire fleet, so I presume it then made more sense to stick with their livery.

Yes that is pretty much accurate. In fact the Chiltern board were not happy with the way the blue & white livery sat on the DVT and were looking into how to modify it when WSMR collapsed and they hit on the idea of adopting a modified version of the WSMR silver livery which is what we have now. The eagle eyed amongst you will notice that the silver livery has been further modified on the plug door set with the dark silver band widened below the windows.

The blue DVT went some months ago for generator fitting and it is set to return in silver livery. I think the final DVT went for generator fitting a few weeks ago when the Arriva DVT arrived as cover.
 

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http://www.railwaygazette.com/nc/ne...-refurbished-mk-iii-coaches-into-service.html

UK: On May 28 Chiltern Railways put into service the first of four rakes of Mk III coaches that are being heavily refurbished and equipped with sliding plug doors.

Deployed on London Marylebone - Birmingham Moor Street services, the Mk IIIs are marshalled between a Class 67 locomotive and a Driving Van Trailer equipped with an auxiliary generator.

Next to each DVT is a GFW car inherited from the Wrexham & Shropshire fleet which has 30 seats in 1+2 formation. This is the 'Business Zone' with a small buffet counter, and a supplement is collected on board for use of these seats. The other four cars have 2+2 seating but with 72 seats in the two TSO cars and only 69 seats in the two TSOL cars equipped with an accessible lavatory.

DB Regio awarded a contract to Wabtec Rail Ltd of Doncaster to comprehensively refurbish a total of 20 Mk III cars. The aim is to have all four rakes in service by December.

Perhaps the most difficult task was to install the powered doors, with both ends of each car body removed and rebuilt to produce a larger vestibule with tracks for the sliding plug doors. Rail Door Solutions supplied the door systems, similar to those installed in the Siemens Class 444 Desiro EMUs for South West Trains.

Retention toilets compliant with the Persons with Reduced Mobility TSI have been installed. LED interior lighting has been installed throughout the TSOL cars and in all the vestibules, and there is a power socket available at each seat.

'This really does prove that you can deliver a first class service utilising older rolling stock', said Chiltern Engineering Director Kate Marjoribanks. 'The new power doors and additional features allow us to increase capacity and at the same time meet the needs of our passengers'.

Railway Gazette International was told that the next steps were likely to be adding a sixth car to each rake, and then producing a fifth rake to provide heavy maintenance cover.
 

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DB Regio awarded a contract to Wabtec Rail Ltd of Doncaster to comprehensively refurbish a total of 20 Mk III cars. The aim is to have all four rakes in service by December.

Railway Gazette International was told that the next steps were likely to be adding a sixth car to each rake, and then producing a fifth rake to provide heavy maintenance cover.

Ok, so that's 4 rakes of

GFW-TSO-TSOL-TSO-TSOL

Which is 20 cars altogether.

Does Chiltern have the existing Mk3s "in stock" to extend the conversion to another 10 Cars?

Any suggestion if the sixth car will be TSO or TSOL?
 

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Ok..

So with four rakes you get save one slot (as taking the 1055/1555 Brum departures as an example it takes 5hr to do a round trip), one service every hour between Marylebone and Birmingham Moor Street is that correct? Can't see them suited to the slower Birmingham Snow Hill services with the end doors, so assume they'll stick to the fasts...

Safely say i'll never use Virgin again :)
 

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67013 did the 0619/0837/1055/1646 with the refurbished set but minus the buffet. 67015 and set were nowhere to be seen at Wembley or Marylebone, anybody know what did the 1337 out of Marylebone?
 

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Didn't seem worth a new thread, but I could have sworn I saw the moved livery Banbury set with Arriva-branded DVT on the WCML heading north of Hemel just now.. Looked like a set of Intercity+Virgin (colour) coaches with a silver loco pushing. or has it all been repainted now?
 

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Arriva has just let it be known they are looking to lease an additional 13 diesel locomotives for Chiltern.
 

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Arriva has just let it be known they are looking to lease an additional 13 diesel locomotives for Chiltern.

What are they going to do with them all!? Or do they have a lot of extra rakes in store to come back into service that I've forgotten about?
 

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Arriva has just let it be known they are looking to lease an additional 13 diesel locomotives for Chiltern.

Is there a press release for this, or an OJEU tender or similar? Surely there aren't the DVTs for this, unless there's some secret, advanced, plan regarding the Great Eastern fleet
 
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