Stations which should be renamed

asylumxl · 6 Jun 2012

Speaking of Luton (I don't know if anyone has mentioned it yet), a lot of staff for quite a while now have been referring to it as "Luton Town". It makes perfect sense to me as it helps people who are unfamiliar with the line/area differentiate. Ofcourse, both Luton and Bedford could go back to having their Midland suffixes...

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ReverendFozz · 6 Jun 2012

dvboy:1109160 said:
Wikipedia suggests Newcastle is also known as Newcastle Central. It is situated above Central station on the Tyne & Wear Metro, so makes sense.

There is also a Haymarket station on the TWM.

I dont think Metro Departure Boards and On Board Announcements announce it as Newcastle Central, I think it is just referred to as Central Station...

On the subject of T&WM, Stadium of Light should change it's name to Newcastle Road, the Station is quite a walk from the Stadium...

Millfield should be changed to Hylton Road, I had no idea where Millfield was until recently when I had to go there on a Metro

John55 · 6 Jun 2012

Eagle said:
Quite a few "Central"s are so-called because they were owned by the GCR (the only extant one I can think of is Wrexham Central).

There are a few other patterns. Probably the most specific is "General", which seems to have been used by the GWR to denote a station with another company's smaller station alongside:

Wrexham General Wrexham Exchange (GCR)
Reading General Reading Southern (SER/LSWR)
Leamington General Leamington Avenue (LNWR)
Cardiff General Cardiff Riverside (TVR)

In all these cases the pairs of stations have been amalgamated.

Wrexham, Leamington and Reading were only named General by BR post nationalisation in the 1949-50 period. Previously they were know as for example Reading (GW) etc the other station in the town would be known as Reading (SE) SE - South Eastern.

Cardiff was renamed in 1922 from Cardiff (GW) to Cardiff General when other stations in Cardiff came under the same management. Riverside wasn't a Taff Vale station but a GWR station.

Many suffixes only came into use after 1922/3 when stations in the same town owned previously by separate companies came into the same ownership. Wigan is a good example where North Western and Wallgate were both just Wigan but of course people would direct you to the L&Y station or the North Western station.

Wrexham had just Wrexham on the GW but Exchange and Central on the WM&CQ Rly (long before the Great Central) but only because there were two stations on the same line in the same town.

D841 Roebuck · 6 Jun 2012

HowMuch? said:
Where did this "Parkway" means "Airport" thing come from? Until the Luton one came along I thought Parkway meant "In middle of nowhere - car-drivers only".

Salford Central should be "The Mark Addy, Black Lion, and New Oxford". Salford Crescent should be "The Crescent and that Student Pub". Sorry, getting obsessed with sorting out the North Manchester CAMRA booze-up, er Treasure Hunt.

Salford Central should be Egerton Arms, surely?

Gwenllian2001 · 6 Jun 2012

John55 said:
Cardiff was renamed in 1922 from Cardiff (GW) to Cardiff General when other stations in Cardiff came under the same management. Riverside wasn't a Taff Vale station but a GWR station.

Cardiff Corporation buses were still displaying 'GWR Station' on their destination blinds well into the ninteen fifties. You are quite correct, Riverside was always a GWR station but the services were provided by the Barry and Taff Vale.

One of the lesser known was Cymmer (General) which stood back to back with Cymmer Afan.

PFX · 6 Jun 2012

I know I'm straying from the UK network, but we have Belfast Central and Belfast Great Victoria Street. I would say that GVR is probably the more central of the two and Central is quite a misnomer being on the outskirts of the city centre. Then there's Derry/L'derry. So good it has two names already!

Back to NR though, the Embra stations have a few names. If you use Goggle maps, it's Embra, Haymarket then South Gyle or Embra Park. When I stayed there, the only station referred to in conversation that used Embra was Embra Park.

sprite · 6 Jun 2012

New Pudsey should be Farsley, it is a fair treck from Pudsey centre and ideally a shuttle bus to the station, bus station and Owlcoats centre should run.
Wakefield Kirkgate, Do Not Alight Here for Danger of Death

tbtc · 6 Jun 2012

ReverendFozz said:
On the subject of T&WM, Stadium of Light should change it's name to Newcastle Road, the Station is quite a walk from the Stadium...

Good luck getting Mackems to accept "Newcastle Road" as the station closest to their football ground :lol:

HowMuch? said:
Where did this "Parkway" means "Airport" thing come from? Until the Luton one came along I thought Parkway meant "In middle of nowhere - car-drivers only"

Me too - I wouldn't go to Bristol Parkway and expect a flight, same with the old Alfreton & Mansfield Parkway.

HowMuch? said:
Salford Central should be "The Mark Addy..."

Pickles

Ivo · 6 Jun 2012

Eagle said:
You do realize you are exactly describing Bicester.

I do now :roll:

Requeststop said:
Dovey Junction should be changed to - "The Middle of Nowhere"

Correction: Sugar Loaf should be changed to "The Middle of Nowhere".

tbtc said:
Me too - I wouldn't go to Bristol Parkway and expect a flight, same with the old Alfreton & Mansfield Parkway.

I believe Bristol Parkway was so named in relation to the M32 - the Parkway. Others just copied it. I may be wrong though.

Gareth · 6 Jun 2012

Liverpool South Parkway should just be Garston.

Caergrwle should have 'Curley Wurley' as its anglophone name. It'd become a massive tourist attraction overnight.

Tiny Tim · 6 Jun 2012

Robinson said:
Pollokshields East, Pollokshields West, Pollokshaws East and Pollokshaws West.

A visitor to Glasgow could easily get confused trying to travel to one of these 4...

If that's confusing, how about the seven Actons in London? N,S,E,W, Central, Town and Main Line.

HowMuch? · 6 Jun 2012

D841 Roebuck said:
Salford Central should be Egerton Arms, surely?

You're right. Forgot about them -and I was in there on Sunday. Lovely pint of Holts. Disguised as a United Fan, of course (ie in my Pearly King outfit).

VTPreston_Tez · 6 Jun 2012

I used to think Horwich had an airport as all the other parkway stations I used to pass through were airports... (Bristol PW had some form of bus at the time and I'm sure it was referred to as Bristol Airport Parkway by a guard once, and Southampton PW well...is an airport station)

Rename Charing Cross (Glasgow) to Glasgow Charing Cross or something similar because I (and I feel many other people) get confused by the name, so even a name rearrangement might help in this case but feel free to correct me.

ReverendFozz · 6 Jun 2012

tbtc:1109418 said:
ReverendFozz said:

On the subject of T&WM, Stadium of Light should change it's name to Newcastle Road, the Station is quite a walk from the Stadium...

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Good luck getting Mackems to accept "Newcastle Road" as the station closest to their football ground[/]

HowMuch? said:

Where did this "Parkway" means "Airport" thing come from? Until the Luton one came along I thought Parkway meant "In middle of nowhere - car-drivers only"

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Me too - I wouldn't go to Bristol Parkway and expect a flight, same with the old Alfreton & Mansfield Parkway.

HowMuch? said:

Salford Central should be "The Mark Addy..."

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Pickles

Good point mate, but Stadium of Light is not the nearest Station to the Ground, The closest Metro is St Peters, about 1-2 minute walk...Ok then rename SoL Roker Park, as it is quite close to the old Roker Park and a Park what is called Roker Park

PR1Berske · 6 Jun 2012

Tiny Tim said:
If that's confusing, how about the seven Actons in London? N,S,E,W, Central, Town and Main Line.

In cases like these and the Polloks, I'm fond of "Place Name

treet"

John55 · 6 Jun 2012

Gwenllian2001 said:
Cardiff Corporation buses were still displaying 'GWR Station' on their destination blinds well into the ninteen fifties. You are quite correct, Riverside was always a GWR station but the services were provided by the Barry and Taff Vale.

One of the lesser known was Cymmer (General) which stood back to back with Cymmer Afan.

I didn't realise the Taff Vale used the station but I did think the Barry might but South Wales can be very confusing to those who only visit. How did the TV reach Riverside?

When I was younger I was always amazed that well into the 1970s and possibly longer the signs at Skelhorne St Bus Stn in Liverpool showed buses to Crosby going vis Seaforth Sands or Seaforth (LMS).

Eagle · 6 Jun 2012

HowMuch? said:
Where did this "Parkway" means "Airport" thing come from?

Southampton Airport is probably the culprit. The station opened in the 1960s as an airport halt, but in the 1980s was renamed to Southampton Parkway in an attempt to imitate Bristol Parkway (being as it's right on the M27, it makes a good parkway station).

One of SWT's first acts of branding was to change the name to Southampton Airport (Parkway)—note the brackets, SWT are insistent on the brackets.

bb21 · 6 Jun 2012

HowMuch? said:
Where did this "Parkway" means "Airport" thing come from? Until the Luton one came along I thought Parkway meant "In middle of nowhere - car-drivers only".

It doesn't.

The trouble with East Midlands Parkway was that one of the reason given for building it was providing easier access to the airport, and that EMT heavily promoted it after it opened as an interchange station for the airport.

Look at it now.

Gwenllian2001 · 6 Jun 2012

John55 said:
I didn't realise the Taff Vale used the station but I did think the Barry might but South Wales can be very confusing to those who only visit. How did the TV reach Riverside?

From Penarth via Cogan Junction. The Barry also approached from Cogan Junction.

LE Greys · 6 Jun 2012

Eagle said:
Southampton Airport is probably the culprit. The station opened in the 1960s as an airport halt, but in the 1980s was renamed to Southampton Parkway in an attempt to imitate Bristol Parkway (being as it's right on the M27, it makes a good parkway station).

One of SWT's first acts of branding was to change the name to Southampton Airport (Parkway)—note the brackets, SWT are insistent on the brackets.

Getting a flight from Tiverton Parkway might be a bit tricky. There's a small airfield about ten miles away, but the nearest public airport is Exeter, which is hardly Heathrow. However, I think I'd continue the trend and rename Iver as 'Heathrow Airport Parkway'. Shortening the Reading bus link and stopping more trains there would save a lot of trouble with the congested M4 at Slough, make it easier to access the airport from the west and allow FGW to undercut HEX on price, hopefully driving prices down. It also might reduce congestion on the M4 into London by encouraging people to use it as a park-and-ride.
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Tiny Tim said:
If that's confusing, how about the seven Actons in London? N,S,E,W, Central, Town and Main Line.

With 'Main Line' getting by far the worst service. Perhaps that should be on the 'stations that should close' list unless they make it easier to get to from the west. Most people would get the District to Ealing Broadway and change there.

Stewart · 6 Jun 2012

Burley Park to Headingley
Headingley to Far Headingley
Horsforth to Cookridge

PR1Berske · 6 Jun 2012

Acton Main Line will of course have to become "Acton Crossrail Interchange"

172212 · 6 Jun 2012

Bordesley should be renamed to Deritend

John55 · 6 Jun 2012

Gwenllian2001 said:
From Penarth via Cogan Junction. The Barry also approached from Cogan Junction.

Having retrieve the better map book out I now understand, many thanks. I hadn't realised until now that the Taff vale extended south of Cardiff.

12CSVT · 7 Jun 2012

Brampton (Cumbria) to Milton
Thirsk to Carlton Miniott

Holly · 7 Jun 2012

Gareth said:
.... Caergrwle should have 'Curley Wurley' as its anglophone name. It'd become a massive tourist attraction overnight.

I was always led to believe it should be pronounced "Car Girly".
It was a massive tourist attraction (in the 1930s, summer Sundays only).
Hordes would scale the hill every weekend to picnic and play impromptu live music. The excursion trains ran from Seacombe.

As for LSP, well the old name "Allerton for Garston and Woolton" had a certain cachet to it.

Eagle · 7 Jun 2012

Holly said:
I was always led to believe it should be pronounced "Car Girly".

Not quite; it's more like "kyre-goor-leh".

It rhymes closer to "poorly" than "girly".

krus_aragon · 7 Jun 2012

6Gman said:
Abergele (formerly Abergele & Pensarn) ...

Still listed as Abergele & Pensarn in Arriva's latest timetable.
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HowMuch? said:
Where did this "Parkway" means "Airport" thing come from? Until the Luton one came along I thought Parkway meant "In middle of nowhere - car-drivers only".

And moreover, when is Ebbw Vale Airport opening? :P

jopsuk · 7 Jun 2012

LE Greys said:
Getting a flight from Tiverton Parkway might be a bit tricky.

on the other hand, most days you could get off a train at Whittlesford Parkway, walk about a mile and a half and fairly quickly get on a plane- it would be a Dragon Rapide, mindyou, unless you'd booked ahead (and paid a lot of money) in which case a two seater Spitfire might be waiting for you.

Deerfold · 7 Jun 2012

LE Greys said:
Getting a flight from Tiverton Parkway might be a bit tricky. There's a small airfield about ten miles away, but the nearest public airport is Exeter, which is hardly Heathrow. However, I think I'd continue the trend and rename Iver as 'Heathrow Airport Parkway'. Shortening the Reading bus link and stopping more trains there would save a lot of trouble with the congested M4 at Slough, make it easier to access the airport from the west and allow FGW to undercut HEX on price, hopefully driving prices down. It also might reduce congestion on the M4 into London by encouraging people to use it as a park-and-ride.

I can't see FGW having much incentive to compete with HEX given their close links with Heathrow Connect.

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