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I guess that one of the problems is that you have to pitch your reports at multiple levels. You and I know that the PM is based at No 10, who he is, and a lot of the background to any story. But there will be those who know nothing of all that - so they have to have the explanatory bits and pictures - and a whole spectrum of viewers between and beyond those two levels. SO, given that TV has a V in eh title, how do you illustrate things appealingly to all parties?

True.

And similarly, you and I know what the current livery and current traction for a certain train service is, but the vast majority watching will just see "train" - how many people noticed that the unit in the Specsavers advert is Danish for example?
 
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What the hell does it matter what stock is shown?

Watching the BBC North-West news last night, even my wife said "Isn't that a picture of the type of diesel units that used to run on the Oldham line in the 1970's"

If my wife who is not noted for her extensive railway knowledge has noticed such a thing, I am sure that there were many others who noticed this rather glaring error. Don't the people responsible for causing such large scale pictorial images on the set of these news studios ever consult anyone....or is it all down to artistic licence ?

I am informed by a visitor this morning that on a recent episode of Coronation Street, there were supposed to be intending travellers to the south coast leaving from Manchester Victoria station, so perhaps artistic licence is rife in the television industry :roll:
 

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I am informed by a visitor this morning that on a recent episode of Coronation Street, there were supposed to be intending travellers to the south coast leaving from Manchester Victoria station, so perhaps artistic licence is rife in the television industry :roll:
I wouldn't have had a clue whether that's right or wrong. But then again, surely you can get from anywhere to anywhere, as long as you change trains enough times?
 

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I wouldn't have had a clue whether that's right or wrong. But then again, surely you can get from anywhere to anywhere, as long as you change trains enough times?

An idea for a new thread on the quiz forum?

Yes, it's possible, but maybe not sensible. At least the train didn't change class - as it sometimes does, remember how in The 39 Steps, Hannay's A1 to Scotland suddenly became a Castle leaving Box Tunnel, probably as a result of no stock footage of an A1 being available immediately and no time to go to the ECML to get some before the film had to be ready.
 

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.... intending travellers to the south coast leaving from Manchester Victoria station,....
Perfectly reasonable. They were presumably travelling via Bradford, where they picked up the GC Adelante to London. A splendid start to their jollydays!:lol:
 

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Let me put it to you from a London perpsective. If you were travelling from London to Blackpool, would you start your journey from Euston or from Paddington?
It depends.
If I lived round the corner from Paddington, I might go from there and change, even if that was only on the tube to Euston Square. :D
But if I were in Manchester, and wanted to go to Portsmouth, and my hotel were near Victoria, then I'd go there and get a tram to Piccadilly.
 

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If you are referring to the Gloucs-Warks Toddington scene on the BBC news report, then that's a class 121 (Or a 122, if anyone wants to split hairs): It only has one carriage.

I had to look again at my posting when I saw your response, but I did say the BBC North-West News in my posting. Even allowing for "artistic licence", I just cannot believe that a television studio in that region would deign to treat its viewing North-West audience to large pictures of a "Gloucs-Warks Toddington " scene as an illustration of the local North-West railway scene.
 
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Not for the last century and a half at least.

Personally, I'm more concerned that they were finding something to complain about (supposed cost rises) rather than allowing this good news story be what it is, good news. How about a report from a copper wire factory suggesting that they will have to hire new staff if they get the contract? Or maybe an engineering company saying how this will keep them in business for years if they are lucky?

Particularly if said factory was in the North East,South Wales or the West Midlands? I use those examples but there may be others.
 

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I imagine most of the equipment suppliers will be on the continent though, since somehow I doubt Balfour Beatty will be winning the ovheread equipment supply contract.
Far more likely to be Furrer and Frey.
 

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Another two faux-pas for the BBC.

Over the weekend, following talk of the MML electrification, a series of shots was used to illustrate the MML at Sheffield.
The problem - Virtually all of the views from the one minute or so sequence were of Pacers coming and going from Sheffield station - we only got a couple of glimpses of Meridian stock sitting in the platforms.

Today- A BBC reporter has just been seen live at St Pancras station, saying that "he was standing where the Midland Main Line starts".
The problem - he was standing at the gateline to the South Eastern platforms, with Class 395s behind him- not a MML train in sight!

How many more times do we have to endure basic mistakes like this being made by the BBC?

In all honesty the vast majority of the travelling public do not know one train from another and indeed really don't care. My family know what a Pendolino is because "its a funny looking thing" but thats about it. My wife is an intelligent woman who travels by train to work everyday but has no idea what it looks like and really couldn't care less.

I'd much rather prefer that the BBC concentrated on more important journalistic matters; Syria, the economy and the Olympics being the first three that come to mind. I''m sorry but its this kind of post which lets down rail enthusiasts and only encourages "anorak" jibes
 

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As for the new rail link between Manchester Piccadilly and Victoria, no problems with access to the MOSI after all!

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Yet another of these examples...:roll:

Incidentally, what really is the current position on this matter as part of the Ordsall Chord proposals. I must confess to have forgotten the implications for MOSI.

Could someone kindly give the current official line on this matter.
 

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I am informed by a visitor this morning that on a recent episode of Coronation Street, there were supposed to be intending travellers to the south coast leaving from Manchester Victoria station, so perhaps artistic licence is rife in the television industry :roll:
Roy Cropper would have been able to put them right ...

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An idea for a new thread on the quiz forum?

Yes, it's possible, but maybe not sensible. At least the train didn't change class - as it sometimes does, remember how in The 39 Steps, Hannay's A1 to Scotland suddenly became a Castle leaving Box Tunnel, probably as a result of no stock footage of an A1 being available immediately and no time to go to the ECML to get some before the film had to be ready.

In the book, he went to the Galloway region from St Pancras, so John Buchan knew something about it at least.
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like and really couldn't care less.

I'd much rather prefer that the BBC concentrated on more important journalistic matters; Syria, the economy and the Olympics being the first three that come to mind.
Why should doing Lord "Coe"'s job for him be more important than reporting schemes that might be of benefit to a significant proportion of the population?
 
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I'm really surprised that people are being so petty, given the huge task for ANY media organisation to keep an updated library of images or video. And sometimes it's worth sending a crew to a location and sometimes it isn't (or it depends on where your limited staff resources are at any given time). It's also quite acceptable to, say, have a reporter at any train station to talk about rail issues if the actual location isn't critical.

The costs would be huge to keep updating the pictures for every time rolling stock is cascaded, or given a new livery. Imagine seeing a video of your local high street and sitting there going 'that shop closed down weeks ago. It's a Subway now.'. As if anyone else would care, unless the story was about a particular store that was, or wasn't, featured.

Then, as I know only too well, there's the issue of needing to publish a story that's topical and not having a good image. You can't just go and steal an image from a Google search, and even the many picture libraries can be hard to get images from, as well as being expensive (and does the tax payer want to fund paying someone for an updated image of a train?). At some point, you either pick anything or you go without a picture - and the latter is rarely considered acceptable unless you're going to use a 'BREAKING NEWS' image instead.

My local paper seems to cope by showing pictures with vague descriptions, such as 'Herts Police Car' or 'A train'. Which does the job. They do at least have pictures of FCC trains, so get local rail stories correct nearly all the time!

The BBC will employ a lot of people on a picture desk, but I am sure that getting photos of trains is a pretty low priority, just as it will be for lots of other things that you might not notice because you're not so interested in it.

I spot things about technology all the time, but it doesn't bother me.
 

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I'm slightly more conmcerned about the content of a report than the picture supporting it - I'd rather have a good story and a 'poorly-chosen' picture than a decent picture and mediocre report. As explained above, sometimes it isn't easy to source good images, and it isn't really a salient feature of the presentation anyway!
 

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I'm really surprised that people are being so petty, given the huge task for ANY media organisation to keep an updated library of images or video. And sometimes it's worth sending a crew to a location and sometimes it isn't (or it depends on where your limited staff resources are at any given time). It's also quite acceptable to, say, have a reporter at any train station to talk about rail issues if the actual location isn't critical.

Now then Jon Morris its not often that I agree with you but on this occasion I do! People really do need to get a sense of perspective here. To the vast majority of people in this country a train is a train.
 

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True.

And similarly, you and I know what the current livery and current traction for a certain train service is, but the vast majority watching will just see "train" - how many people noticed that the unit in the Specsavers advert is Danish for example?

Or that the station in the old trainline sheep advert was Wellington in New Zealand?

As others have said, no one really cares about pic on news reports outside of the enthusiast circle - be that ships/trains/planes/buses - its the content of the story most people are interested in and thats what they should be focusing on getting right.
 

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Oh noes, at lunchtime today they were doing really well in a segment on the likely winner of the West Coast franchise; OB from Preston and Wigan, the right trains/locations and everything... right up until this caption :)

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On the local news at Lunchtime they had a guy on P14 at Manchester Piccadilly saying we were getting two more platforms so that "trains didn't need to stop at Piccadilly" :)

Unless it's changed recently the BBC North West standard picture for "rail disruption" in the local news is a 3rd rail scene in a 4-track area (train winding through sharp curves under a bridge).
The train looks suspiciously like a Southern Mk1 (423 perhaps), and I don't know of any 4-track 3rd-rail sections like that on Merseyrail, except possibly a very short bit near Sandhills.
About as authentic as some of the shots in Michael Portillo's programmes.
 

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Oh noes, at lunchtime today they were doing really well in a segment on the likely winner of the West Coast franchise; OB from Preston and Wigan, the right trains/locations and everything... right up until this caption :)

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Were they talking to him 'Live'? - those captions are often generated in real time, the gallery would have spotted it but can't really change it once it hits the airwaves (not without making it more obvious). Mistakes like that happen

The best broadcast balls up I've seen had to be the 'Littlejohn' show in the 1990s. Someone pressed the wrong button in the gallery and about 10 seconds of RTL (a German channel) was broadcast before a black screen and the "Technical Difficulties" slide appeared. The bigger problem was that RTL were showing some porn at the time! The continuity announcer sounded rather shocked!
 

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Were they talking to him 'Live'? - those captions are often generated in real time, the gallery would have spotted it but can't really change it once it hits the airwaves (not without making it more obvious). Mistakes like that happen

The best broadcast balls up I've seen had to be the 'Littlejohn' show in the 1990s. Someone pressed the wrong button in the gallery and about 10 seconds of RTL (a German channel) was broadcast before a black screen and the "Technical Difficulties" slide appeared. The bigger problem was that RTL were showing some porn at the time! The continuity announcer sounded rather shocked!

:lol:

Yes, mistakes do happen, indeed the BBC (and others) have devoted entire series (let alone programmes) to it. Still, that one really takes the biscuit! Worthy of the annual Viagra trophy (for the year's biggest cock-up).
 

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Tsk, well what a waste of licence fee payers money to have to send the film crew all the way back to Wigan to correct the mistake for the 6:30pm News. Typical BBC, I shall write to my MP :)

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(can you keep a secret? I spent a minute looking at that picture and thinking "but they *do* serve Wigan North Western" and then wondering whether I'd got it mixed up with Wallgate and still not working out what the error was and then... the penny dropped! D'oh!)
 

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I've noticed both the BBC and Sky making a lot of on-screen errors in the last few months (sometimes I'll grab my Sky remote, rewind get a photo if I can) and also errors on the BBC website.

It's not good, but inevitable when you have a mixture of fewer staff, less sub-editors and people rushing to be first. I guess besides a little joke or sigh, there's no major harm done - unless the typo is enough to suddenly say something offensive.

The most recent was Sky talking of the 'Mars Landind' on-screen for some time before someone noticed and they pulled the graphic. Again, nothing major (the error, not the Mars landing!) but does make me think it doesn't reflect well on the media as a whole.
 
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