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The funny thing now is that the FA are still claiming that they can dish out their own punishment/sanctions, despite the man being cleared in a court of law.....
I suspect it is to do with different standards of proof required. In the court, the prosecution had to prove that there was intent to "racially abuse"; Terry's (IMHO laughable) defence was that he was simply repeating what Ferdinand had said, so his intent was not proved. In the case of the FA, the "offence" is simply using racist language. Terry has admitted this, so is open to some sanction from the FA. I would hope that he will be given much the same punishment as Suarez last season. I expect it will be significantly less.
 
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That's interesting. Police can charge for extra effort manning events in public areas, so why should football be any different?

D+C police dont police extra events, and leaves organisers to sort their own security policing, this was evident at royal cornwall show where they had a large number of stewards replacing the police directing traffic
 

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And in theory Airdrie will move up to the First Division and Stranraer up to the Second Division. Interesting times as the first SPL games are in a couple of weeks or so and Rangers first game is against Brechin City in the Ramsdens Challenge Cup on July 28. At 3,960 capacity it should be a sell out....:)
 

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... Rangers first game is against Brechin City in the Ramsdens Challenge Cup on July 28. At 3,960 capacity it should be a sell out....:)
Any predictions as to the result? I suspect a couple of quid on Brechin might not be too bad;)
 

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Depends what kind of team rangers have left. Haven't seen a squad list, and know little of the players I've seen mentioned to place a guess on results

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Portsmouth only have 8 senior players but they've been left behind as the youths go to Spain for a pre-season tour.

The hope is that a lot of them will be sold to fund the debt before the rest return.

Unfortunately even the senior players won't make much of a dent in the huge debt which is making the new prospective buyers wary.

Porstmouth could possibly be gone within weeks.
 

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Depends what kind of team rangers have left. Haven't seen a squad list, and know little of the players I've seen mentioned to place a guess on results

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After all Brechin City are a Second Division club whilst Rangers are only a Third Division club, so perhaps it would be unfair to look for an upset here.
 

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After all Brechin City are a Second Division club whilst Rangers are only a Third Division club, so perhaps it would be unfair to look for an upset here.

I never thought I'd see the day someone would write something like this...

Sign of the times :(

Portsmouth only have 8 senior players but they've been left behind as the youths go to Spain for a pre-season tour.

The hope is that a lot of them will be sold to fund the debt before the rest return.

Unfortunately even the senior players won't make much of a dent in the huge debt which is making the new prospective buyers wary.

Porstmouth could possibly be gone within weeks.

This sounds hugely worrying. Does anyone know which "senior players" these are, and an estimated value between them?

No so long ago Pompey were pushing for a new stadium...
 

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I never thought I'd see the day someone would write something like this...

Sign of the times :(



This sounds hugely worrying. Does anyone know which "senior players" these are, and an estimated value between them?

No so long ago Pompey were pushing for a new stadium...


Tal Ben Haim, Greg Halford, Erik Huseklepp, Dave Kitson, Liam Lawrence, David Norris, Luke Varney and Kanu still left total estimated value about £150. ;)
 

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Nope, I'm saying that Rangers are better known by their non-geographical name, a lot like if you say 'City' people always think Manchester, or 'Real' and Madrid. It is just something that has stuck over time, not to mention being the club's official title. Come what may with confusion, I would expect them still to be called Rangers, or Berwick to be more commonly shortened.
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You see, the overriding point of this all is that Rangers' official name is, erm, Rangers. I would expect it to be treated as such.
 

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Tal Ben Haim, Greg Halford, Erik Huseklepp, Dave Kitson, Liam Lawrence, David Norris, Luke Varney and Kanu still left total estimated value about £150. ;)

Portsmouth are not worried about the estimated value, as they will be happy to move them on for free. However, they do want to move those players on as their wages are sky high. Tal Ben Haim is reportedly gets over £35,000* a week, with the rest all over £10,000 a week each.

I'm not sure if Portsmouth are under a player registration embargo or not, but even if they are, they can still sign and register players** if their first team squad is too small IIRC.

*That's roughly equivalent to Scunthorpe Uniteds weekly wage bill for their entire squad!

** I'm not 100% certain about this rule, but IIRC, despite operating under a transfer embargo after relegation from the EPL, they were still able to sign players to fill their first team squad. If that is the case, then the can sign players who are not contracted to a club and get others on loan to fill their first team squad (upto a maximum of 20 players).
 

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I'm not sure if Portsmouth are under a player registration embargo or not, but even if they are, they can still sign and register players if their first team squad is too small IIRC.

I was not aware that there was an official minimum number of players that constitute a first-team squad. Has anyone a definite clarification of what this figure is and is it the same for the Premier league as it is in the Championship/League 1/League 2 ?
 

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I was not aware that there was an official minimum number of players that constitute a first-team squad. Has anyone a definite clarification of what this figure is and is it the same for the Premier league as it is in the Championship/League 1/League 2 ?

Yes, there has to be a minimum of 15 players registered to play in the league. Portsmouth are in the same situation now as they were following relegation from the EPL. They were getting rid of senior players that were on silly money, and replacing them with players on lower wages (but still silly money). When that happened, they didn't have enough players left, so were able to sign free agents to make the minimum squad size.
 

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The latest Forbes Top-50 Sports Clubs Rich List is again headed by Manchester United with a value of US$ 2.23 billion, which is 19% higher than the value of Real Madrid. Manchester United are currently preparing for a listing on the New York stock exchange.

Manchester City still do not feature in this top 50 listing.
 

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One of the genuinely decent guys in football lost from the pitch. A real shame, but ultimately an inevitable one. He never complained about anything and was always ready to put others before himself - something others (e.g. Rooney) could learn from.

Indeed, and if he and Woodgate could have stayed fit, I doubt John Terry would have been anywhere near an England shirt.

Not just Terry either.

What exactly was it that caused his injury anyway?
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Someone at the SFL has decided to take advantage of Rangers' predicament...

Rangers: Scottish Football League invites TV bids for live matches

The Scottish Football League has approached broadcasters with a package to show up to 25 live Rangers matches in Division Three next season.

However, any deal cannot be finalised until the Scottish FA grants membership to the new club.

The SFL's media representative IMG, is inviting bids from interested parties, with a closing date of Monday.

The proposed deal includes the opportunity to broadcast all 18 of Rangers' away league matches.

Members of the Rangers board held talks with the SFA on Tuesday, but there is debate over what punishments they will accept in return for membership.

It is understood the SFA wants the newco club to accept the 12-month transfer embargo handed out to the old company for bringing the game into disrepute.

The governing body also wants guarantees from Charles Green's consortium that all football debts will be cleared.

The SFL TV deal on offer is subject to certain criteria, including fixture clashes, scheduling clashes and policing but with the start of the new season less than three weeks away, they want all parties to move quickly.

And BBC Scotland has learned that several parties have already declared an interest.

As the SFL looks for a broadcast partner, its counterpart at the Scottish Premier League continues negotiations over its own television and radio deals.

SPL chief executive Neil Doncaster has spent the last 48 hours in talks with Sky and ESPN discussing what they are willing to pay for a top league without Rangers.

(Source: BBC)

I'm not convinced I like the idea of this. It could work both ways with regards to the other nine clubs; while they will receive greater exposure, they could also be shown to lose 5-0 twice a year. From a sponsorship perspective, I'm not sure which that would go - but if it's the latter, there could be further trouble ahead...
 

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The matter of the stated return of Vidic to the heart of the Manchester United defence for the coming season will be interesting to see how well the medical treatment for his problem has actually worked. They do say that injuries such as those he had, always had long-term implications a few years ago, but medical knowledge in that area of treatment seems to have moved forward recently.
 

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Tim Cahill is expected to sign for the New York Red Bulls in the next few days after Evertone agreed to a £1m deal.

Leeds Utd have signed Andy Gray and Jamie Ashdown on free transfers. Gray was released by Barnsley at the end of last season, and rejoins Leeds (with whom he started his career). Ashdown was alsow released by Portsmouth at the end of the season.

Talking of Portsmouth, Luke Varney is expected to leave as well, after he agreed a 2 year deal with Leeds Utd.

Now, the biggie, the Leeds Utd court case.

They have won!

Michael Beloff QC, for the club, had told Mr Justice Eady the action was "in the nature of a test case" and the footballing and policing worlds hoped the ruling would provide "powerful guidance" on the issue.

He had said the club was content to pay for services within the stadium and on land owned or controlled by it, but policing on land not owned or controlled by the club did not constitute special police services.

"West Yorkshire Police's insistence on charging Leeds United Football Club for such policing is illegal," he added.

John Beggs QC, for the police, had told the court the footprint around the stadium was a tightly drawn and strategically determined boundary.

The judge concluded that the services fell within the normal constabulary duty to keep the peace.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-18965193
 

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Now, the biggie, the Leeds Utd court case.
They have won!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-18965193
This is potentially a massive issue for public order policing throughout the country, and not only at football matches. Where does "extra" policing at a Hyde park concert end, for instance. IMHO, a crass decision, given that, without the presence of LUFC (and their attendant unruly fans) policing in that part of Leeds would require very little presence.
 

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I fear Portsmouth could be the first significant English club to go out of business.

This has been on the cards for years but somehow clubs always find a way out.

Wolves were less than 15 mins away from liquidation in the 1980's but the "Doog" saved them at the last minute.

Coventry are almost in as bad a position but don't seem to get much publicity.
 

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Having been in hospital for six days on a Stroke Ward, I am somewhat out of touch with all sport and wondered how the discussions between Rangers and the Scottish football authorities about membership of the Scottish FA had progressed, as someone on the ward yesterday was saying that their first match might not be played if all matters were not settled.
 

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Having been in hospital for six days on a Stroke Ward, I am somewhat out of touch with all sport and wondered how the discussions between Rangers and the Scottish football authorities about membership of the Scottish FA had progressed, as someone on the ward yesterday was saying that their first match might not be played if all matters were not settled.

Should be rubberstamped very shortly, only small niggles to overcome.
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I also hope you are well Paul, sorry to hear of a hospital stay.
 

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I believe a proposal at one point was to grant Gers their place but remove their history, God only knows how McCoist reacted. Luckily that's out of the question now, and I also expect it to be sorted soon.

Welcome back CarterUSM by the way, and get well soon Paul!
 

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Having been in hospital for six days on a Stroke Ward, I am somewhat out of touch with all sport and wondered how the discussions between Rangers and the Scottish football authorities about membership of the Scottish FA had progressed, as someone on the ward yesterday was saying that their first match might not be played if all matters were not settled.

Well according to the latest on BBC Sport there are no outstanding issues with the SFL or the SFA. The problem appears to be with the SPL (they're getting agitated because TV companies won't pay them as much as they want, so they want a share of the revenue the SFL get from any deal which they make to show Rangers in Division 3, and they want to take our titles away).

I, for one, hope Rangers tell the SPL just where they can go. They don't want us, they got rid of us - why should we deal with them at all? They've made their bed, now they should be made to lie in it.
 

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