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Rhydgaled

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I like the idea of an Aberystwyth-Llandovery-Brecon route. Possibly this could run via Tregaron to Lampeter rather than via Aberaeron.
I suggested it running via Aberaeron from Aberystwyth (rather than starting at Aberaeron) since the New Quay - Aberystwyth and Carmarthen - Aberystwyth services would both be hourly, but the X50 would only be every two hours. Therefore, to create a balanced service I'm suggesting Aberystwyth-Aberaeron-Llandovery-Brecon every two hours to provide an every-twenty minutes service between Aberystwyth and Aberaeron.
 
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Richards Bros have apparently received three additional Tempos. I think these are:

YJ55BKN - still in Arriva TrawsCambria livery.
YJ06YRO - In un-branded TrawsCymru livery (with the silver bits that make it even worse, as found on the new vehicles) - this one I'm sure about as I've taken photos
YJ06YRZ - Re-liveried as above.

I saw an Arriva bus this evening somewhere between Cardiff and Carmarthen which had it's LED displays set to service 20 to Aberystwyth. It seemed to be carrying no passengers and was an ordinary-looking bus, not one of the two coaches (not even one of the CymruExpress liveried Pulsars) carrying the new Arriva livery (the version with the darker turquoise around the bottom and the cream semi-circle not filled it).
 

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I saw an Arriva bus this evening somewhere between Cardiff and Carmarthen which had it's LED displays set to service 20 to Aberystwyth. It seemed to be carrying no passengers and was an ordinary-looking bus, not one of the two coaches (not even one of the CymruExpress liveried Pulsars) carrying the new Arriva livery (the version with the darker turquoise around the bottom and the cream semi-circle not filled it).

Conversely, I've taken a couple of 40s that were being run with one of the coaches, often passing a Cardiff service being run with either a regular Arriva bus or a Cymru Express-liveried Pulsar. Round these parts at least, Arriva's never really been good at coping with having certain buses reserved for certain routes, as they're far too keen on chopping and changing all over the place, presumably for operational reasons.

In other developments, I see that the 41 (formerly X41, Carmarthen to Llandysul) is now officially the first casualty of Arriva's new commercially-run network, with the last services having run today.
 

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Conversely, I've taken a couple of 40s that were being run with one of the coaches, often passing a Cardiff service being run with either a regular Arriva bus or a Cymru Express-liveried Pulsar. Round these parts at least, Arriva's never really been good at coping with having certain buses reserved for certain routes, as they're far too keen on chopping and changing all over the place, presumably for operational reasons.

In other developments, I see that the 41 (formerly X41, Carmarthen to Llandysul) is now officially the first casualty of Arriva's new commercially-run network, with the last services having run today.
I too have seen one of the coaches on the normal services (the 50 in that case, though what is on one 50 trip normally then goes onto the 40, and vice versa, or at least that was the case at the time).

I have refered to Arriva as an incompetant operator several times, due in part to their inability to keep branded vehicles where they should be. Back when we still had the X40, I saw them duplicate the service once or twice due to high demand (it was the lunch-time Cardiff run, with the extra bus announced as going as far as Swansea) and neither bus was one of the X1260 Tempos branded Aberystwyth - Aberaeron - Lampeter - Pencader - Carmarthen - Swansea - Cardiff, they were both normal Tempos. I also saw one of those X1260 'X40 Cardiff' Tempos on the 550 service several times.

Has a local-athority tended service replaced Arriva's 41 or has that corridor now lost its bus service (and hence Llandysul loses what I think was its last scheduled bus service, unless the college days only Aberaeron/Synod Inn - Newcastle Emlyn - Cardigan service goes via there)? Was Arriva running the 41 commertialy anyway, I had assumed that was still subisidised?

I hope WAG have the six new buses ordered for the TC1 service tucked away somewhere ready to roll out if Arriva drop the 40 and/or 50. Interestingly the TrawsCymru website, which has been claiming that Arriva's CymruExpress services are part of the Traws network for a while, has now had it's 'About Us' page updated to reflect that rather dubious claim.

It says:
Introducing Traws Cymru

The Welsh Assembly Government has recently announced plans to significantly upgrade two key Traws Cambria bus services early in 2012, and that all Traws Cambria services will be rebranded as Traws Cymru in a series of phases starting in March 2012.



The first two key longer distance bus corridors to be upgraded will be:-

* 10, 20, 40, 50 linking Aberystwyth – Lampeter – Carmarthen; and
* 704 linking Newtown – Brecon – Merthyr.

Both corridors have been selected in recognition of the key strategic importance they play in terms of providing links between major regionally significant centres and the rail network. Both routes also continue to perform well in terms of passenger numbers, and have both experienced good patronage growth over recent years. It is envisaged that investment in both schemes could be further protected through the use of new Statutory Quality Bus Partnership powers.

Both corridors will be rebranded to Traws Cymru and feature new service numbers. Subject to detailed discussions it is envisaged that the following Improvements will be delivered on both corridors will feature:-

Service TC1 Aberystwyth – Aberaeron – Lampeter – Carmarthen

A comprehensive package of improvements has been identified for this key corridor including:-

* Standard hourly service be reintroduced with regular clock face times at all key points along the route;
* Better connections with other services including rail services at Carmarthen and Aberystwyth, other longer distance bus services;
* Better integration with the proposed expanded Bwcabus project at Lampeter and Pencader;
* Faster travel times by re-routing the service between Lampeter and Aberaeron onto the A482 and then serving the smaller settlements of Cribyn and Llanwnnen by the expanded BwcaBus;
* Improved passenger interchange facilities at Carmarthen and Aberystwyth rail stations; and
* Introduction of a dedicated fleet of six new low floor coach style vehicles featuring more comfortable coach style seating, greater luggage space, real time information and WiFi.
Also interesting that it hasn't been updated to reflect that the 704 has recived its six new buses, and been extended to Cardiff which wasn't part of the spec for the enhanced service. Also interesting that the 50 service (my bold above) now apparently links Aberystwyth to Lampeter and Carmarthen (which as far as I know it doesn't).

Anyway, that page seems to be suggesting that the 40 and 50 are TrawsCambria (which they aren't) and that they will be upgraded. Somebody is really confused.
 

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re the 41, there's a new scheduled bwcabus service Llandysul - Pencader, with morning journeys out and afternoon journeys back. I think it's supposed to connect with the Arriva 40.
 

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Arriva have cancelled the X32 from 23rd September. I have heard (but cannot confirm) that it will be replaced with a new service T2 operated by Lloyds Coaches (and possibly another operator, most likely Express Motors). Arriva will operate a commercial 32 between Porthmadog and Caernarfon, in competition with Express. The latter have cancelled the registration for service 35 Blaenau Ffestiniog - Dolgellau, which runs alongside the X32 for most of the route. It seems some interesting changes are afoot in this area. Lloyds have taken delivery of two of the Ceredigion CC Tempos - can't say which. Express have also registered changes for the 1/1B Bangor - Blaenau Ffestiniog and X1 Llandudno - Blaenau Ffestiniog, which may or may not be related. The new service(s) are due to start on Monday 24th September.

Edit: I now understand the Tempos at Lloyds are YJ55BKU and YJ55BKG.
 
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Arriva have cancelled the X32 from 23rd September. I have heard (but cannot confirm) that it will be replaced with a new service T2 operated by Lloyds Coaches (and possibly another operator, most likely Express Motors). Arriva will operate a commercial 32 between Porthmadog and Caernarfon, in competition with Express. The latter have cancelled the registration for service 35 Blaenau Ffestiniog - Dolgellau, which runs alongside the X32 for most of the route. It seems some interesting changes are afoot in this area. Lloyds have taken delivery of two of the Ceredigion CC Tempos - can't say which. Express have also registered changes for the 1/1B Bangor - Blaenau Ffestiniog and X1 Llandudno - Blaenau Ffestiniog, which may or may not be related. The new service(s) are due to start on Monday 24th September.

Edit: I now understand the Tempos at Lloyds are YJ55BKU and YJ55BKG.
Will the Lloyds Coaches replacment service for X32 be a 2-hourly Aberystwyth - Bangor through service (ie. a full replacment for X32) and be a subsidised TrawsCambria/TrawsCymru service? If so, how are they getting away with running a subsidised Traws service where Arriva's commerical 32 operates?
 

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First Cymru are taking over Trawscymru service X63 Swansea - Brecon from the end of this month.

Watch this space as to what vehicles will be used!
 

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Truth be told nobody seems to know what has happened to them although one was supposed to have been spotted around the Milton Keynes area.

Hopefully some further information will be available soon.
 

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Arriva are changing the 10/20/40 timetable again from 2nd September. There will now be a service arriving in Aberystwyth before 9am on Saturdays, but only from Lampeter. The last journeys from Aber and Carmarthen end in Lampeter, and the first two to Aber start from there - could they be opening an outstation in the town??

Timetable here:http://www.carmarthenshire.gov.uk/E...ts/bus timetables/Temp/10_20_40_23EPT2012.pdf

I think there may be some changes to the 50 too, but I don't know what they are as I haven't been able to get hold of a timetable.

Hope of Interest.
 

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Arriva are changing the 10/20/40 timetable again from 2nd September. There will now be a service arriving in Aberystwyth before 9am on Saturdays, but only from Lampeter. The last journeys from Aber and Carmarthen end in Lampeter, and the first two to Aber start from there - could they be opening an outstation in the town??

Timetable here:http://www.carmarthenshire.gov.uk/E...ts/bus timetables/Temp/10_20_40_23EPT2012.pdf

I think there may be some changes to the 50 too, but I don't know what they are as I haven't been able to get hold of a timetable.

Hope of Interest.
Still no arrival in Aberystwyth for work/university by 9am on weekdays then (at under two hours, the timeing still looks a bit optimistic and at that time in the morning you can add another 5-10 minutes between Llanfiarian and Morrisons if it is a schoolday). Looks like it has also gone back to 6pm last bus to Carmarthen from Aber-Y. Very much not up to the level of service promised for TC1, with services running from 6am to 8pm. I think Morris Travel or First in Carmarthen should be given a couple of the 6 as yet unused TC1 Tempos to run a subsidised TC1 service from Carmarthen to Aberystwyth at 6:??am and an evening service TC1 back to Carmarthen leaving Aberystwyth at around 7:35pm

Also I saw a Pulsar on CymruExpress this evening, so still no sign of the promised new double deckers I suppose.

In other news Richards Bros look like they are going to abandon the connection for New Quay between 550 and 50 at Synod Inn and bypass New Quay altogether with the 550 extending to Aberaeron and connecting into the 40 for onward travel to Aberystwyth. The services that already went to New Quay / Aberystwyth seem to be unchanged.
 

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Pretty drastic cuts to Aberystwyth town services from Arriva.
Service has been radically cut in just a few years.

The real question asked by these moves is how much longer will Arriva remain in Mid Wales?
 

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Aberystwyth seems to cycle relatively quickly through boom and bust periods with regards its buses: every now and then, Arriva ups the frequencies of its routes and extends the running hours, only to cut everything back again six months or so later, ostensibly due to few or no people using these new services (certainly last time I caught the soon-to-be-axed 0500 40 service from Aber to Carmarthen, it was just me and the driver as far as Lampeter).

On the face of it, one can't particularly blame them for dropping services that don't attract enough passengers, but they never seem all that keen to promote the routes - you know, by telling people about them and stuff. Anywhere else, I'd expect to see details of routes, frequencies and saver tickets plastered all over the sides of the buses, yet Arriva seems reluctant do anything so vulgar as to advertise its services. It also doesn't help that most of the (largely tendered) services run by local, competing operators tend to be a little cheaper than Arriva.

All in all, one is left with the impression that Arriva's rapidly losing the little interest it ever had in Aberystwyth, even along what six months ago was considered the "flagship" 40 route to Carmarthen. Local competitors are only too eager to use every service change or price rise to stick the boot in to Arriva, who never seem all that bothered about answering these criticisms.

Certainly this latest bout of cuts - some of the more drastic we've seen in recent times - will do nothing to bolster Arriva's standing in the town. The way things are going, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Arriva scales back on - or even gives up on - local town services in the not-too-distant future.
 

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Aberystwyth seems to cycle relatively quickly through boom and bust periods with regards its buses: every now and then, Arriva ups the frequencies of its routes and extends the running hours, only to cut everything back again six months or so later, ostensibly due to few or no people using these new services (certainly last time I caught the soon-to-be-axed 0500 40 service from Aber to Carmarthen, it was just me and the driver as far as Lampeter).

On the face of it, one can't particularly blame them for dropping services that don't attract enough passengers, but they never seem all that keen to promote the routes - you know, by telling people about them and stuff. Anywhere else, I'd expect to see details of routes, frequencies and saver tickets plastered all over the sides of the buses, yet Arriva seems reluctant do anything so vulgar as to advertise its services. It also doesn't help that most of the (largely tendered) services run by local, competing operators tend to be a little cheaper than Arriva.

All in all, one is left with the impression that Arriva's rapidly losing the little interest it ever had in Aberystwyth, even along what six months ago was considered the "flagship" 40 route to Carmarthen. Local competitors are only too eager to use every service change or price rise to stick the boot in to Arriva, who never seem all that bothered about answering these criticisms.

Certainly this latest bout of cuts - some of the more drastic we've seen in recent times - will do nothing to bolster Arriva's standing in the town. The way things are going, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Arriva scales back on - or even gives up on - local town services in the not-too-distant future.

Mid Wales Travel are starting a host of new town services in Aber from the 24th Sept, the same date Arriva are cutting theirs:

http://www.midwalestravel.co.uk/services

Latest news on the X32 seems to be that Express will be operating one return daytime journey in addition to their current evening service. There is a rumour that Lloyds may also be operating some journeys, but it remains to be seen whether this is the case. Of course, it would be ridiculous to hope that the public might be told about it just 10 days in advance...!
 

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Latest news on the X32 seems to be that Express will be operating one return daytime journey in addition to their current evening service. There is a rumour that Lloyds may also be operating some journeys, but it remains to be seen whether this is the case. Of course, it would be ridiculous to hope that the public might be told about it just 10 days in advance...!

Lloyd's would be the obvious candidate, really, what with their X27 and X28 services already covering Dolgellau to Machynlleth and Machynlleth to Aberystwyth respectively, so an extension of some (or all) of these to Porthmadog at least could work well for them (can't see them being too keen on going all the way to Bangor, as there's rather more competition north of Porthmadog). I note also that they're currently advertising on their website for new drivers for "local services", although that could be a coincidence.

But agreed: with just over a week to go, it's a bit crummy that we've still no real idea what's going on.
 
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Lloyds coaches have won the tender to operate new Trawscymru service T2 which will replace Arriva's service X32 Aberystwyth - Bangor.

Timetables should be published this week however service will be generally every 2 hours.
 

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Lloyds coaches have won the tender to operate new Trawscymru service T2 which will replace Arriva's service X32 Aberystwyth - Bangor.

Timetables should be published this week however service will be generally every 2 hours.

I see the new timetables for Express Motors X1 Llandudno-Dolgellau and Express/Lloyd's T2 Bangor-Aberystwyth services have just gone up on the Gwynedd Council website.

The through T2 service is a bit sparse, though, with 4 and 6-hour gaps during the day.


http://www.gwynedd.gov.uk/gwy_doc.asp?doc=12522&language=1&p=1&c=1
 

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I know that there have been calls for higher frequency on the T4 between Cardiff & Newtown, specifically over the Cardiff - Brecon stretch.

It may therefore be of interest to know that this has appeared in the VOSA Bus Service registrations for 26th September:


PG0006630/176 - RED & WHITE SERVICES LTD T/A STAGECOACH IN SOUTH WALES, 1 ST. DAVIDS ROAD, CWMBRAN, NP44 1PD

Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Cardiff and Newtown given service number T4 effective from 07-Oct-2012. To amend Timetable.

Either an hourly service between Cardiff & Brecon - which could be a sensible idea from what I have red of issues with loading - or simply more running time. Who knows.....

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Just spotted the following on VOSA:

PG1073209/6 - G H A COACHES LTD, UNIT 11, VAUXHALL INDUSTRIAL ESTATE, RUABON, WREXHAM, LL14 6UY

Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Wrexham and Barmouth given service number T3 effective from 04-Nov-2012. To amend Timetable.

Looks like the X94 is being renumbered T3.
 

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Unfortunately, I can't update my previous TrawsCambria / TrawsCymru topic as it has been closed.

The TrawsCymru website has recently been relaunched, after some downtime. The new site has none of the history information, network maps, plans for the network etc. - it just seems to be a single page that links to the Traveline Cymru site. Not nearly good enough, in my opinion.
 

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An update on the location of some of the older Optare Tempo's.

A photo has been published on the welsh bus photographs group showing, Optare Tempo YJ55BKV in Cheltenham being operated by Marchants on route F.

They do have another of these Tempo's although no registration available yet.
 

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An update on the location of some of the older Optare Tempo's.

A photo has been published on the welsh bus photographs group showing, Optare Tempo YJ55BKV in Cheltenham being operated by Marchants on route F.

They do have another of these Tempo's although no registration available yet.
WHAT! Why? Is this the end? Will we ever have a decent bus network? Is Arriva to blame? Or did WAG try and to force the TrawsCymru livery on Lloyds and Express?
 
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