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HSTEd

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Why is it that all of a sudden, in the past few months, everyone and their mother suddenly understands what PFI is and goes on about how bad it is? I've been telling people its a bad idea for years! No disrespect to yourself, I'm sure you're totally clued up, but I can't believe that the government's going on about how badly labour negotiated some of the contracts has gotten through?

Has somebody famous picked up on it and started making jokes, or has it been on a TV programme or something?

It is because anyone who questioned the value-for-money of PFI schemes was accused of being a "socialist" who lived in "la-la-land", with the complicity of the press.
This is less true these days.
 
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It is because anyone who questioned the value-for-money of PFI schemes was accused of being a "socialist" who lived in "la-la-land", with the complicity of the press.
This is less true these days.

Have you ever read The Emperor's New Clothes? PFI was The Big Thing, and to question it suggested you might be disloyal to the leadership, so everyone just went along with it despite failure after failure. Eventually, the economy went phut and the people who had dared to question it turned out to be right.
 

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I only ever travel 1st on XC (split tickets or advance!) But yesterday I had to walk through Standard to find the catering trolley and it absolutely reeked in every standard coach. The train was rammed (hence why catering trolley was stuck!) And even 1ST class was close to full.The TM announced that anyone with bags on seats would be charged for the seat!
 

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I only ever travel 1st on XC (split tickets or advance!) But yesterday I had to walk through Standard to find the catering trolley and it absolutely reeked in every standard coach. The train was rammed (hence why catering trolley was stuck!) And even 1ST class was close to full.The TM announced that anyone with bags on seats would be charged for the seat!

Was the "reek" from the customers or the lavatories in Standard :lol:
 

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What is it with peoples obsession with standing and sitting in the middle of the vestibules in XC anyway? Even once the train was much quieter, and despite people repeatedly pointing out to others, people remained sitting right in the gangway on the floor getting in everyones way even though there was by this time ample seats.
 

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What is it with peoples obsession with standing and sitting in the middle of the vestibules in XC anyway? Even once the train was much quieter, and despite people repeatedly pointing out to others, people remained sitting right in the gangway on the floor getting in everyones way even though there was by this time ample seats.
If you believe some of the posters on here; it must be because the Voyager seats are so uncomfortable, that they prefer to sit on the floor! ;)
 

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If you believe some of the posters on here; it must be because the Voyager seats are so uncomfortable, that they prefer to sit on the floor! ;)

They can't be that uncomfortable. I mean, come on, it's not as if they're being asked to spend four hours on a 185. Then I WOULD sit on the floor!
 

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I regularly do the Reading to Birmingham journey and in the morning peak, being on the wrong end of the platform could be no seat all the way as most of train seems to be reserved.

The issue usually is the platform display at Reading, as it would say first class is at the front on arrival, but when the train comes in its not and the same happens at Birmingham New Street (not all the time but at least once or twice a week) - is there anyware where I could find this info correctly, such as a website etc..

The other issue is the number of coaches, as it can either be a 4 car or a 5 car Voyager (5 car has the unreaserved coach), however until the train comes in to full view there is no way of knowing this at Reading, however at New Street its usually announced.
 

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Went on cross country last week and it was discussing. We moved down the train to escape the smell but there was no escaping it. :(
 

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I went 1st class when virgin ran xc and didn't get diddly squat except broken air con on a hot day.
 

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The first class on the Southern Trains service from Bromley South to London Victoria makes me laugh. It's in the same coach as standard class not even a door seperating it and the only difference is there's a little cloth over the headrest that says first class, also there's no guard or buffet service on there anyhow so why pay more?

First things first - services from Bromley South are run by Southeastern, not Southern ;)
 

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I regularly do the Reading to Birmingham journey and in the morning peak, being on the wrong end of the platform could be no seat all the way as most of train seems to be reserved.

The issue usually is the platform display at Reading, as it would say first class is at the front on arrival, but when the train comes in its not and the same happens at Birmingham New Street (not all the time but at least once or twice a week) - is there anyware where I could find this info correctly, such as a website etc..

The other issue is the number of coaches, as it can either be a 4 car or a 5 car Voyager (5 car has the unreaserved coach), however until the train comes in to full view there is no way of knowing this at Reading, however at New Street its usually announced.

I don't think I've seen or heard it announced at New Street except for Virgin services, and if one of their train's in reverse formation, it doesn't usually get corrected, so it's clearly something New Street have put in for all Virgin services by default depending on destination, as most of the time it's right.

The problem with XC there is that trains going to the same destination can come in from different directions and that doesn't necessarily determine formation either, so they can't put a default direction in.

I asked someone at Wolverhampton once and she checked her computer, told me it said first class was at the front "but in reality your guess is as good as mine"
 

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I regularly do the Reading to Birmingham journey and in the morning peak, being on the wrong end of the platform could be no seat all the way as most of train seems to be reserved.

The issue usually is the platform display at Reading, as it would say first class is at the front on arrival, but when the train comes in its not and the same happens at Birmingham New Street (not all the time but at least once or twice a week) - is there anyware where I could find this info correctly, such as a website etc..

The other issue is the number of coaches, as it can either be a 4 car or a 5 car Voyager (5 car has the unreaserved coach), however until the train comes in to full view there is no way of knowing this at Reading, however at New Street its usually announced.

kind of related to this, but i'm always confused when a there is a reversing movement involved. Is it the front of the train on arrival or the front on departure?
 

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kind of related to this, but i'm always confused when a there is a reversing movement involved. Is it the front of the train on arrival or the front on departure?

The 19:31 BHM-MAN last night was announced as first class at front, duly arrived with first class at rear, but left with it at the front.

If they are consistent, then I'd suggest it's "on departure"
 

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Went on cross country last week and it was discussing.

What was it discussing ?
--- old post above --- --- new post below ---
I regularly do the Reading to Birmingham journey and in the morning peak, being on the wrong end of the platform could be no seat all the way as most of train seems to be reserved.

Do you mean you don't sit in empty seats marked reserved ?
 

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What was it discussing ?
--- old post above --- --- new post below ---


Do you mean you don't sit in empty seats marked reserved ?


The train stank of like sewer or something, it was really dirty and the first class was poor for the price.
 

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I recently had to travel from Portchester to Dumfries to collect a car id purchased (<<<that one over there) train from Portchester to Winchester was a 12 car 450 unit, there was'nt that many people on it and it was a pleasant trip, from Winchester to Wolverhampton was a Cross Country Voyager, it was ram packed on arrival at Winchester and i stood by a toilet (never noticed a smell) from Winchester to Reading then i got a seat by a window pillar for the remainder of the trip to Wolverhampton, the view was rubbish and i was so pleased to get off the dam thing at Wolverhampton, i consoled myself that the trip up from Wolverhampton to Carlisle would (i assumed) be a Pendalino and would be an experiance as ive never been on a 390, imagine my horror to find out the trip would be in a Virgin Voyager, i inadvertantly sat in a resevered seat but when the seats owner came along they sat in another resevered seat and the owner of that one found a free seat that was unreserved, i found them horrible to sit in, did'nt like the seats with little leg room, the train eventually arrived at Preston where it was cancelled due to a broken rail somewhere up north, after an hours wait most of us were then put onto an already packed Trans-Pennine service (380unit? had 4 coaches?) and i sat on the floor in a door way (when enough people had got off to allow me to sit down) for the trip to Carlilse, the trip from Carlilse to Dumfries was on a Scot-rail 150 unit and i think was probably the best bit of the trip! Needless to say i collected my car and drove home without incident. From now on (and bear in mind i am a rail enthusiast) i think i will drive everywhere as the experiance of the cross country and virgin voyager was to be frank, sole distroying!
 

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the train eventually arrived at Preston where it was cancelled due to a broken rail somewhere up north, after an hours wait most of us were then put onto an already packed Trans-Pennine service (380unit? had 4 coaches?) and i sat on the floor in a door way (when enough people had got off to allow me to sit down) for the trip to Carlilse,
Transpennine Express use Siemens Class 185 Desiro trains on the Manchester to Scotland route (And indeed, on the vast majority of their services), which have three carriages.
the trip from Carlilse to Dumfries was on a Scot-rail 150 unit and i think was probably the best bit of the trip!
That would be a class 156, not a 150. A minor detail.
 

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I recently had to travel from Portchester to Dumfries to collect a car id purchased (<<<that one over there) train from Portchester to Winchester was a 12 car 450 unit, there was'nt that many people on it and it was a pleasant trip, from Winchester to Wolverhampton was a Cross Country Voyager, it was ram packed on arrival at Winchester and i stood by a toilet (never noticed a smell) from Winchester to Reading then i got a seat by a window pillar for the remainder of the trip to Wolverhampton, the view was rubbish and i was so pleased to get off the dam thing at Wolverhampton, i consoled myself that the trip up from Wolverhampton to Carlisle would (i assumed) be a Pendalino and would be an experiance as ive never been on a 390, imagine my horror to find out the trip would be in a Virgin Voyager, i inadvertantly sat in a resevered seat but when the seats owner came along they sat in another resevered seat and the owner of that one found a free seat that was unreserved, i found them horrible to sit in, did'nt like the seats with little leg room, the train eventually arrived at Preston where it was cancelled due to a broken rail somewhere up north, after an hours wait most of us were then put onto an already packed Trans-Pennine service (380unit? had 4 coaches?) and i sat on the floor in a door way (when enough people had got off to allow me to sit down) for the trip to Carlilse, the trip from Carlilse to Dumfries was on a Scot-rail 150 unit and i think was probably the best bit of the trip! Needless to say i collected my car and drove home without incident. From now on (and bear in mind i am a rail enthusiast) i think i will drive everywhere as the experiance of the cross country and virgin voyager was to be frank, sole distroying!

If you ever have to do a journey like that again fly from Southampton to Scotland and connect up with your beloved Scotrail Service for the last leg- a lot less hassle, far quicker and often cheaper :p
 

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Tbf I don't see any fault with voyagers. The only problem is when it's packed other than that they are excellent trains. I'd rather have a HST obviously but voyagers are brilliant absolutely nothing wrong with them. If all the forum members had used them when not crowded thery wouldn't complain as there is nothing wrong with them. Why dig at voyagers seriously there is nowt wrong with them!
 

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i can actually see some logic in x country tonight, the 1727 Manchester to Southampton has been doubled up! That doesn't happen very often
 

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i can actually see some logic in x country tonight, the 1727 Manchester to Southampton has been doubled up! That doesn't happen very often

That's odd, normally Manchester Picc-Bournemouth services are formed of single 220s/221s (either can turn up). I once saw a pair of Voyagers on a Bournemouth - Reading service late one evening, but chances are the rear Voyager was locked out of use.
 

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That's odd, normally Manchester Picc-Bournemouth services are formed of single 220s/221s (either can turn up). I once saw a pair of Voyagers on a Bournemouth - Reading service late one evening, but chances are the rear Voyager was locked out of use.

I saw 2/ 3 pass through here in the spring/ early summer, I nearly fell off the platform the first time. :o
 

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Wasn't there not rumour that DB wanted to re-install a bar area when the voyagers get extended? I know they've retained the Buffets on Chiltern and GC.

I think people often miss the fact that XC are not really a true mainline long distant operator in the way EC/VT/FGW/HT are.
 

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Tbf I don't see any fault with voyagers. The only problem is when it's packed other than that they are excellent trains. I'd rather have a HST obviously but voyagers are brilliant absolutely nothing wrong with them. If all the forum members had used them when not crowded thery wouldn't complain as there is nothing wrong with them. Why dig at voyagers seriously there is nowt wrong with them!

:)

It's about time someone other than me gave Voyagers a chance! ;)
 

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I think people often miss the fact that XC are not really a true mainline long distant operator in the way EC/VT/FGW/HT are.

I don't think this is fair to say at all. I travel on XC often and many people are making long journeys. XC operate the longest distance services in the country and whilst its true that few people on the Aberdeen to Plymouth are actually going all the way the journeys they are taking are often significant in length.
 

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They are not half as bad when they are the right length for the service - two together is a more pleasant experience.

Except when the catering trolley is in the front unit and the staff CONTINUALLY make announcements reminding everyone in the rear unit they can't have any catering becuase its two trains together and you can't get through. Every 10 minutes. Alright, we get it, no overpriced snacks, stop telling us!
 

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They are not half as bad when they are the right length for the service - two together is a more pleasant experience.

Except when the catering trolley is in the front unit and the staff CONTINUALLY make announcements reminding everyone in the rear unit they can't have any catering becuase its two trains together and you can't get through. Every 10 minutes. Alright, we get it, no overpriced snacks, stop telling us!

This may be a revolutionary thought but why don't they move the trolley to the other portion of the train at one of the stops enroute
 
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