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Trans Pennine Express (TPE) Manchester - Edinburgh via Newcastle or Coatbridge
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They are shown on OTT
I believe this is what you are looking for:
http://opentraintimes.com/schedule/Y01659/2013/3/30
Looks like they will be non-stop from Newcastle to Edinburgh.
It is sure going to be unusual for the likes of Huddersfield and Dewsbury to have a direct service to Edinburgh!
I'm thinking a trip north of the border may have to be done next year
I believe this is what you are looking for:
http://opentraintimes.com/schedule/Y01659/2013/3/30
Looks like they will be non-stop from Newcastle to Edinburgh.
It is sure going to be unusual for the likes of Huddersfield and Dewsbury to have a direct service to Edinburgh!
I'm thinking a trip north of the border may have to be done next year
Eagle
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TPE's timetables are showing them correctly.
Interesting route they take to get to Glasgow Central (via Polmont, Cumbernauld and the Whifflet line).
Interesting route they take to get to Glasgow Central (via Polmont, Cumbernauld and the Whifflet line).
Railguy220
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I'll have to witness this happening! Why don't they have a normal direct service anyways? Seems more logical to go to Edinburgh via the ECML than the WCML.
Eagle
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Then there's this one on Saturday mornings. Normal route to Carstairs, then round Coatbridge and Cumbernauld to call at Falkirk Grahamston, then on to Edinburgh.
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Not from Manchester it isn't. It's far shorter via the west coast. Note that Edinburgh is actually west of Manchester anyway.
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Not from Manchester it isn't. It's far shorter via the west coast. Note that Edinburgh is actually west of Manchester anyway.
Failed Unit
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Interesting route to take considering the drivers already have knowledge via Carstairs.
Depends which depot are going to operate the services I guess though.
Failed Unit
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I wonder how many people will do the journey? I will for sure for the track bashing. But normal people I suspect will bail out at Edinburgh. Didn't think the 185s were cleared in so much of Scotland. (Unless the plan is to use the 170s)
Eagle
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The Glasgow service will be a PSUL over the curve between Coatbridge Central and Kirkwood. (The Edinburgh via Carstairs and Cumbernauld isn't a PSUL at any point, but it's still an interesting service to do, considering.)
DarloRich
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So is it Newcastle (Berwick) Edinburgh
Or Newcaslte (Hexham - Carlisle) Edinburgh
Or Newcaslte (Hexham - Carlisle) Edinburgh
MidnightFlyer
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Via Berwick.
DarloRich
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cheers
Waverley125
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surely this would be the logical extent of TPE extensions in the long run? Albeit with calls at Morpeth, Alnmouth, Berwick & Dunbar between Newcastle & Edinburgh.
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That's pretty good going...
Carlisle to Falkirk Grahamston in 1h33m with a stop at Lockerbie. The "normal" is 1h14m to Glasgow Central.
So to get to Stirling, I could go:-
07:12 Oxford to Birmingham (08.17)
08.31 Birmingham to Manchester (09.59)
10.16 Manchester Piccadilly to Falkirk (13.44)
14.07 Falkirk to Stirling (14.23)
Total 7h11
Thought it would be a bit quicker, but there is a total of 54m interchange times
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That was silly, I could go:-
07.36 Oxford to Birmingham (08.48)
09.20 Birmingham to Carlisle (12.00)
12.10 Carlisle to Falkirk (13.44)
14.07 Falkirk to Stirling (14.23)
Total 6h47m
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Eagle
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It's about an hour longer than via Carlisle (even without stops between Newcastle and Edinburgh), and from Leeds onwards it's duplicating XC. It might happen post-TP electrification, if TPE and XC swap around some of their ECML destinations to make best use of electric stock.
Not really local services between Newcastle and Edinburgh were the subject of a study not so long ago and it was found that the business case really didn't stack up. There are also, of course, capacity problems.
Good to see a TOC using diversionary routes rather than just giving up and busing everyone. Though TPE seem to be developing a bit of reputation for this as they kept the service going in some form during the recent Stalybridge blockade rather than just busing everyone (especially on weekends).
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Not to mention the Hull diversion.
I will certainly be making a day of it, or even two. There may be the possibility of a forum meet I sense.
Not to mention the Hull diversion.
I will certainly be making a day of it, or even two. There may be the possibility of a forum meet I sense.
My bold - my exact thoughts too
If enough of us got together we could even take over the first class compartment, weekend first on TPE is normally quite reasonable. Also it would be nice to have a forum meet where I'm not doing a load of travelling to get there
Would a Preston - Glasgow CDR (route: Via Carlisle) be valid via Newcastle on these trains? I'd say it should come under this: "Any through train diverted from its usual route will count as a permitted route between the stations it is normally scheduled to call at."
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A friend who works on TPE has told me that this is happening at Christmas.
I keep hearing rumours of a lengthy period of engineering work for 2013 affecting the line north of Carlisle - anybody got further information?
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Thanks to whoever moved my OP to this board - the earlier posts partially answer the question.
My interest now is more for details of what is to happen from Carlisle north to Lockerbie and beyond, as I'll be returning from holiday during this period complete with heavy suitcases! Bustitution I guess.
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Thanks to whoever moved my OP to this board - the earlier posts partially answer the question.
My interest now is more for details of what is to happen from Carlisle north to Lockerbie and beyond, as I'll be returning from holiday during this period complete with heavy suitcases! Bustitution I guess.
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I don't get what the fuss is about, it's like going from York to Edinburgh on an EC or XC service except (probably) more overcrowded. Or am I missing something?
For some people it will cause long journey time increases but for others it creates new journey time opportunities (e.g. Huddersfield - Edinburgh becomes more convenient!), there will also be people who would like the chance to travel on or photograph a Class 185 over an unusual route.
In ticketing terms, TPEs weekend first is also cheaper than ECs (and probably XCs) and 16-25 Railcard holders get half price Advance tickets. Route: via Carlisle tickets can be considerably cheaper and are valid on these trains as they would normally travel via Carlisle.
But you are right for some people it isn't of interest, in which case they won't have clicked on this thread (as it has a descriptive title).
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