balne-wonderer
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Bentley near Doncaster had this arrangement. A couple of times I cut it fine. not too fine though.
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Ash is one I got caught out at- off a 165 heading to GLD only to want a 450 to Alldershot- 3 minute connection. Trouble was the barrriers stayed down until the 450 rumbled over it- then ran like hell to get on it!
There are a few on the Marston Vale too, Kempston Hardwick springs to mind.
There are a few on the Marston Vale too, Kempston Hardwick springs to mind.
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Yes, they do, and on the same poster it also says that when the barrow crossing cannot be used and you cannot use the footbridge, you take the northbound train to Chesterfield to go south, or override to Nottingham and come back if you came from the north.
Fortunately I was on the 'right' side so if the train was in the station and needed to cross the crossing next, hence keeping the barrier down I was ok. Likewise going the other way unless a train is coming the way, the barrier would open as soon as train is in the station. I had to dash across to catch a train a few times, fighting my way past other people crossing.
With the posts above saying you had to run like hell after the barriers raised before going across and catching the train, would the traincrew see people who were caught on the wrong side and wait for them before closing the doors? (one would think so, particularly if they know that it is possible to get caught out. It would seem to be mean not to wait).
Unless something was coming the other way of course (a non stopper or such)
And I'm not sure where I got Sittingbourne from (call it trying to think too early in the morning!)...it was supposed to say Southbourne for a second time!
crispy1978
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Porthmadog is one I believe - although given the infrequency of the trains hardly likely to cause a problem, unless you are having a quick beverage in the Station Inn?
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=por...=Porthmadog,+Gwynedd,+United+Kingdom&t=h&z=19
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=por...=Porthmadog,+Gwynedd,+United+Kingdom&t=h&z=19
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Thorne South Sation has now gained a footbridge for the first time in its lifetime since the New Year, anyone know why? there does seem to be alot more people using the station these days.
I guess South Yorkshire PTE must have contributed towards it as it also has L.L.P.A. system too as against further up the line in North Lincolnshire. where Crowle has just a foot crossing between platforms and no LLPA system at Crowle or at Althorpe.
The original Thorne South Station had a subway before they closed it and replaced it with a foot crossing at the east end of the station before relocating the station to it present position to the east of the foot crossing.
I guess South Yorkshire PTE must have contributed towards it as it also has L.L.P.A. system too as against further up the line in North Lincolnshire. where Crowle has just a foot crossing between platforms and no LLPA system at Crowle or at Althorpe.
The original Thorne South Station had a subway before they closed it and replaced it with a foot crossing at the east end of the station before relocating the station to it present position to the east of the foot crossing.
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Forsinard has a level crossing, along with the lowest platforms I've ever had to use!
nowananorack
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Just down the road from Porthmadog is Harlech.
This is a passing point.
It's road crossing is a short distance from the station and has a foot crossing at the end of one platform. The crossing is gated but not interlocked and does not have any lights.
It depends. As I said earlier, on up trains at foxton and shepreth you can see people on the crossings but you can't wait as the barriers will only open once your train has left so if you see people trying to get to the train you have to just drive off and leave them there.
At others it will depend if the driver or guard can actually see you (they won't be looking at the xing-just the train) and also how late running the train is, how long the gates are likely to be shut for etc.
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I'll add Mistley and Wrabness on the Harwich branch to the list. Both have a foot crossing across the tracks at the London end to get to the far platform, equiped with red/green warning lights.
At Mistley the entrance is on the down side, so passengers towards Manningtree need to ensure they are not snookered by a down train. At Wrabness the entrance is on the up side, so passengers alighting from a down train must be aware there could be a train on the up line if the light remains red, as the train they have just got off blocks the view.
As a result the 05.25 Lowestoft to Harwich International is timetabled to wait at Ipswich for 6 minutes to ensure it doesn't pass Mistley (at 60 mph) just as the morning commuters are crossing the track to catch the 07.09 to Manningtree.
At Mistley the entrance is on the down side, so passengers towards Manningtree need to ensure they are not snookered by a down train. At Wrabness the entrance is on the up side, so passengers alighting from a down train must be aware there could be a train on the up line if the light remains red, as the train they have just got off blocks the view.
As a result the 05.25 Lowestoft to Harwich International is timetabled to wait at Ipswich for 6 minutes to ensure it doesn't pass Mistley (at 60 mph) just as the morning commuters are crossing the track to catch the 07.09 to Manningtree.
Could I add Heckington to this list of stations?
The only way to cross the line is via the barrow crossing, right next to the level-crossing at the Sleaford end of the station. As the station entrance is on the Boston platform, this means last-minute passengers for Sleaford and Grantham are crossing the line in front of the approaching train, and some passengers arriving on the train try to beat the train over the crossing to exit the station.
Heckington also has another hazard in that the starting signal in the Sleaford direction is right up against the level-crossing at the end of the platform. Therefore for overlap reasons, the starting signal has to be cleared with the level-crossing gates locked in favour of the train, before it can enter the platform. As the previous signal is some way down Great Hale Drove, the gates are closed and locked for nearly five minutes when a Sleaford train is signalled.
This is no problem if you're approaching from Heckington village, as the station entrance is on that side of the crossing. But if you're on the last minute and coming from Great Hale or Helpringham direction, you can only sit and wait at the crossing gates, watch your intended train approach, stop, pick-up passengers and depart past you, but without you on it.
The only way to cross the line is via the barrow crossing, right next to the level-crossing at the Sleaford end of the station. As the station entrance is on the Boston platform, this means last-minute passengers for Sleaford and Grantham are crossing the line in front of the approaching train, and some passengers arriving on the train try to beat the train over the crossing to exit the station.
Heckington also has another hazard in that the starting signal in the Sleaford direction is right up against the level-crossing at the end of the platform. Therefore for overlap reasons, the starting signal has to be cleared with the level-crossing gates locked in favour of the train, before it can enter the platform. As the previous signal is some way down Great Hale Drove, the gates are closed and locked for nearly five minutes when a Sleaford train is signalled.
This is no problem if you're approaching from Heckington village, as the station entrance is on that side of the crossing. But if you're on the last minute and coming from Great Hale or Helpringham direction, you can only sit and wait at the crossing gates, watch your intended train approach, stop, pick-up passengers and depart past you, but without you on it.
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Couple of stations on the Braintree branch line?
VTPreston_Tez
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Carnforth has one. If that wasn't enough it's virtually a back yard so getting in can be a pain if you're not local.
Berney Arms.
Only accessible from a foot crossing about 50 metres south of the station, then up a path on the east edge of the (single) track bed, then cross the track to the platform ramp. As far as I recall from a visit a few years ago there isn't even a barrow crossing - walk across the ballast or a sleeper, stepping over the rails.
Only accessible from a foot crossing about 50 metres south of the station, then up a path on the east edge of the (single) track bed, then cross the track to the platform ramp. As far as I recall from a visit a few years ago there isn't even a barrow crossing - walk across the ballast or a sleeper, stepping over the rails.
Not quite the same but Hereford has a public crossing as well as footbridge. Obviously its only used by wheelchairs/prams/heavy luggage given there are no lifts there and its only crossed with a member of staff but still, sort of similar!
Kneedown
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On this line you can add Uttoxeter and Blythe Bridge. A good few near misses at Uttoxeter, especially on race days, to the extent that NR have now provided a full time Crossing Attendant.
I have a feeling there could be a similar scenario at Seamer
Though I have never had cause to exit the station, I did once change there (from a train from Scarborough to a train from Scarborough...just because I could
) and wandering around noticed what looked to be locks on the gates.
Given that the signal is near it, I have a feeling it may have to clear before the train arrives so does this stop people entering the station with a train approaching towards Scarborough?
Wakefield Westgate also has no lifts and a barrow crossing to be used with assistance from a staff member. I remember my Grandma having to use it on many occasions and sometimes having to wait quite a while for a gap in traffic. Despite being there, I always opted for the steps and bridge...now very much wish I'd taken an opportunity to use the barrow crossing!
Though I have never had cause to exit the station, I did once change there (from a train from Scarborough to a train from Scarborough...just because I could
) and wandering around noticed what looked to be locks on the gates.Given that the signal is near it, I have a feeling it may have to clear before the train arrives so does this stop people entering the station with a train approaching towards Scarborough?
Wakefield Westgate also has no lifts and a barrow crossing to be used with assistance from a staff member. I remember my Grandma having to use it on many occasions and sometimes having to wait quite a while for a gap in traffic. Despite being there, I always opted for the steps and bridge...now very much wish I'd taken an opportunity to use the barrow crossing!
Ipswich was like this until very recently. Always seemed odd for such a large station!
Without a major bit of work, I can't see Wakefield Westgate changing anytime in the near future
crispy1978
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I have a feeling there could be a similar scenario at Seamer
Though I have never had cause to exit the station, I did once change there (from a train from Scarborough to a train from Scarborough...just because I could
Given that the signal is near it, I have a feeling it may have to clear before the train arrives so does this stop people entering the station with a train approaching towards Scarborough?
I live in Scarborough, so travel through Seamer quite a bit. Although having said that I don't know how this works - the gates seem to be on springs to allow them to close. Whether there is some form of automatic locking on this which prevents access when a train is close I aren't sure.
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Barnsley has access to Platform 2 via a level crossing. Whilst there is access via the station building, a lot of people access the station via using the level crossing and the gate which leads directly to Platform 2.
Ipswich did a rather major bit of work - installing an entire second bridge, complete with lifts.
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Lostwithiel.
The LC tend to be closed for a long time before a train arrives, especially if it's an HST as it will foul the crossing due to the short platforms. If you're catching a train the 'wrong' side from which you are approaching, you need to leave plenty of time just in case as there is no other way across the line.
The LC tend to be closed for a long time before a train arrives, especially if it's an HST as it will foul the crossing due to the short platforms. If you're catching a train the 'wrong' side from which you are approaching, you need to leave plenty of time just in case as there is no other way across the line.
Shelford railway station has no bridge or underpass, with a (road) level crossing immediately south of the station. At peak times the barriers are down more than they're up- I can only imagine that regular commuters factor this in to when they leave the house and aim to arrive well ahead of their train if they have to cross- thankfully there is a ticket machine on each side. As well as the trains that stop (up to two per hour in the peak) there's plenty of non-stop- up to four per hour in the peak, plus early in the morning peak there's often an engineering train or two heading north (presumably often to March) after works further south.
Roydon, further south, has even more services, and is staggered.
The "wrong" way- where the right way is that the crossing is to the rear of a train that is stopped and therefore can be opened.
Roydon, further south, has even more services, and is staggered.
The "wrong" way- where the right way is that the crossing is to the rear of a train that is stopped and therefore can be opened.
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Are there not plans to move the full station at Wakefield Westgate towards Leeds end of present station where it will have all the facilities for access to platforms for everyone.
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