• Our booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk (powered by TrainSplit) helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchase! Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread!

Network Rail's New Station Fund - likely bidders?

Status
Not open for further replies.

DDB

Member
Joined
11 Sep 2011
Messages
481
Do we know how much the three front runners have asked for? The planning assumption by the DfT was that it would be less than £5 million per station.

The contribution of the NSF is a capped amount and is not expected to exceed 75% of the NSF Project cost of the New Station and must be less than the available value of the fund. Notionally the amount per station is assumed to be no more than £5 million but this is subject to the decision of the NSF Awards Panel

Ilkeston station bid is for £4.574 million from the fund to make up the £6 million cost of the station.

Anyone know about the other two so we can work out how much should be left?
 
Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; click here to register, or click here to log in
R

RailUK Forums

davetheguard

Established Member
Joined
10 Apr 2013
Messages
1,811
With so many deserving projects out there, there appears to be a need for an annual "new station fund"

Stations at places such as Wantage Road, Roade, Low Moor, Kenilworth, and Corsham have been talked about for years and years (e.g. Roade was a Network South East scheme!) without anything happening.

I'm not sure if it's lack of funding; cloying bureaucracy, or lack of vision and drive at County Council level - or a mixture of all three
 

IanXC

Emeritus Moderator
Joined
18 Dec 2009
Messages
6,335
With so many deserving projects out there, there appears to be a need for an annual "new station fund"

Stations at places such as Wantage Road, Roade, Low Moor, Kenilworth, and Corsham have been talked about for years and years (e.g. Roade was a Network South East scheme!) without anything happening.

I'm not sure if it's lack of funding; cloying bureaucracy, or lack of vision and drive at County Council level - or a mixture of all three

Indeed - give the BCRs the submitted projects had, I was genuinely surprised the Chancellor didn't allocate another £10-20m to the fund to enable more (all?) of the proposals to go ahead.
 
Joined
9 Feb 2009
Messages
807
Indeed - give the BCRs the submitted projects had, I was genuinely surprised the Chancellor didn't allocate another £10-20m to the fund to enable more (all?) of the proposals to go ahead.

It's not surprising, these are 'local' schemes and as such there is little political capital to be had for ministers - it's hardly going to make it into the national newspapers.
 

WatcherZero

Established Member
Joined
25 Feb 2010
Messages
10,272
If you look at the list of road schemes approved this week their mostly small projects like CCTV cameras to monitor for accidents/congestion and small Motorway junction improvements to minimise tailbacks. Maximum spread of goodwill for minimum investment.
 

jimm

Established Member
Joined
6 Apr 2012
Messages
5,231
With so many deserving projects out there, there appears to be a need for an annual "new station fund"

Stations at places such as Wantage Road, Roade, Low Moor, Kenilworth, and Corsham have been talked about for years and years (e.g. Roade was a Network South East scheme!) without anything happening.

I'm not sure if it's lack of funding; cloying bureaucracy, or lack of vision and drive at County Council level - or a mixture of all three

Of course funding is an issue. Local authorities in this country have precious little money and are subject to tight controls from the Government in how they spend what they have got, unlike many of their counterparts in Europe.

Without the money, it really doesn't matter how much vision you have got. Councils often have plenty of that, Oxfordshire (and some other areas) has a dedicated rail development officer, whose county rail development strategy published last year is an excellent piece of work, well worth looking up - hardly cloying bureaucracy.

In the cases of Wantage Road and Corsham, another key issue is the lack of a train service to call at them. FGW will not stop HSTs at either place and with these being the only trains out there since the demise of the short-lived Oxford-Bristol Turbo service, unless and until some sort of semi-fast service reappears on the GWML west of Didcot the chances of either station being built are slim.

The same issue of what trains will call also affects Kenilworth, with XC opposed to stopping, never mind that their trains can't handle more passengers much of the day anyway, especially at the times commuters wanting to get to and from Coventry and Birmingham would want to travel. They're already overloaded with people from Leamington
 

GazUk

Member
Joined
10 Dec 2012
Messages
81
Location
West Midlands
The same issue of what trains will call also affects Kenilworth, with XC opposed to stopping, never mind that their trains can't handle more passengers much of the day anyway, especially at the times commuters wanting to get to and from Coventry and Birmingham would want to travel. They're already overloaded with people from Leamington

Regarding kenilworth, granted the xc service between Leamington and Coventry can be a bit full but I'd hazard a guess at the majority of commuters who go to brum go via the chiltern route from Leamington.
Kenilworth is a medium sized town with only bus links to coventry and leamington and if they did reopen the station there if xc services didn't stop from what I read, London midland might introduce a service between Leamington and Coventry.
 

jimm

Established Member
Joined
6 Apr 2012
Messages
5,231
Regarding kenilworth, granted the xc service between Leamington and Coventry can be a bit full but I'd hazard a guess at the majority of commuters who go to brum go via the chiltern route from Leamington.
Kenilworth is a medium sized town with only bus links to coventry and leamington and if they did reopen the station there if xc services didn't stop from what I read, London midland might introduce a service between Leamington and Coventry.

"a bit full" - I don't call a train that is full and standing right down the aisles as well as in the vestibules a bit full. I'd call it grossly overloaded, which is what the XC trains going that way in the peaks are. There is nowhere to put any more passengers on them as Leamington passengers tend to target the XC and Chiltern fasts, because they save about 15 minutes' journey time to/from New Street or Moor Street compared with the LM and Chiltern stoppers.

There will have to be extra and/or longer trains before there is to be any kind of service calling at Kenilworth and through services to/from Birmingham are key to making the station work. If you kick everyone off at Coventry to change trains after a five-minute run, they will just stick to their cars.
 

The Planner

Veteran Member
Joined
15 Apr 2008
Messages
15,934
There will have to be extra and/or longer trains before there is to be any kind of service calling at Kenilworth and through services to/from Birmingham are key to making the station work. If you kick everyone off at Coventry to change trains after a five-minute run, they will just stick to their cars.

One of the reasons it failed looking back at it. It required a dedicated service to enable it to function in the immediate term, which I suspect LM were not keen on. When the wires go up then it will be a lot healthier as a Cov local could be extended down to Leamington.
 

WatcherZero

Established Member
Joined
25 Feb 2010
Messages
10,272
Winners have been announced (though by my count the Governments only contributed half the available funding pot?)

*Lea Bridge, London Borough of Waltham Forest, which will receive over £1 million towards a scheme worth in excess of £6.5 million

*Ilkeston, Derbyshire, which will receive over £4.5 million of DfT funding towards a scheme worth over £6.5 million

*Newcourt, Devon, where the DfT will pay for around half of the scheme expected to cost in the region of £1.5 million

*Pye Corner, Newport, which will receive over £2.5 million towards a scheme worth over £3.5 million

Total Dft Contribution £8.75m, total station costs £18m.

Lea Bridge

Lea Bridge located on the Lea Valley line between Tottenham Hale and Stratford. The station will consist of 2 platforms, a new footbridge and lifts, station canopy, ticket vending machines, Oyster readers, waiting shelters, help points and cycle storage.

Ilkeston

Ilkeston is located on the Erewash Valley line between Nottingham and Langley Mill. The station will consist of 2 platforms sufficient to accommodate trains up to 6 passenger cars and will include waiting shelters. A new car park will be provided which will accommodates 150 parking spaces, including disabled parking, cycle storage, drop off point and taxi rank. Provision will also be made for a bus stop. Ramped and stepped access will be provided from the new footbridge to each platform as well as the proposed car park, to the east of the station. The station will be unmanned, with automated ticket machines, waiting areas on each platform, customer information screens, passenger help points, and CCTV.

Newcourt

Newcourt is located on the Exmouth Branch between Digby and Sowton and Topsham. The new station will deliver a new platform and shelter, ticket machine, secure cycle parking and CCTV. The station will be served by a half hourly local service on the Exmouth branch.

Pye Corner

Pye Corner is on the Ebbw Valley line in South Wales between Rogerstone and Cardiff in the Bassaleg area of the west of Newport. The station will consist of a single platform. The station will be equipped with a help point, ticket machine, CCTV and customer information screens. The station will be served by a car park accommodating 70 spaces.

All stations to open before end of 2014.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-65-million-railway-station-to-be-built-in-waltham-forest
 

swt_passenger

Veteran Member
Joined
7 Apr 2010
Messages
31,385
Winners have been announced (though by my count the Governments only contributed half the available funding pot?)

They mustn't have had enough applications that met the published ('shovel ready') criteria.

As I expected to be honest.
 

Frothy

Member
Joined
19 Jul 2012
Messages
140
Location
Deepest darkest France
They mustn't have had enough applications that met the published ('shovel ready') criteria.

As I expected to be honest.
I thought they could still award the money at a lateer date to other applicants.I also thought there would have been more applications that met the criteria. Maybe it'll roll over to next year? hehe.
 

cle

Established Member
Joined
17 Nov 2010
Messages
4,030
Bit anticlimactic that - had expected a few more.

Still, hopefully it's not a one off and a rolling thing every few years.
 

YorkshireBear

Established Member
Joined
23 Jul 2010
Messages
8,686
With some money remaining i expect a scramble from some organisations to get their stations shovel ready for any future announcements.
 

WatcherZero

Established Member
Joined
25 Feb 2010
Messages
10,272
Several that had high BCR's had dates of 2016, didnt think the Government was that desperate that they would only approve stuff to be completed by the end of 2014 when better value schemes were not that far behind. Does give them the chance to reannounce it as 'new' money in a phase 2 though.
 

SprinterMan

Established Member
Joined
20 Sep 2010
Messages
2,341
Location
Hertford
Bit disappointing that Kenilworth got the shove again, I assume this was to do with XC not having enough time to serve it and being too difficult for LM to serve.

Adam :D
 
Last edited:

The Planner

Veteran Member
Joined
15 Apr 2008
Messages
15,934
It was probably more to do with the fact that it would require a new service that LM might not neccessarily be able to resource and the track work required. The others are pretty much build a station and go.
 

Chris125

Established Member
Joined
12 Nov 2009
Messages
3,076
Bit disappointing that Kenilworth got the shove again, I assume this was to do with XC not having enough time to serve it and being too difficult for LM to serve.

Adam :D

Looks like you won't be disappointed for long...

Kenilworth to secure funding for new railway station

KENILWORTH is expected to secure £5 million of government funding on Monday (June 3) to finally get a railway station re-opened in the town.

No official announcement has yet been made but MP Patrick McLoughlin, Secretary of State for Transport, will be in the town on Monday afternoon and is expected to confirm the grant then, paving the way for the station to be constructed off Priory Road.


Chris
 

IanXC

Emeritus Moderator
Joined
18 Dec 2009
Messages
6,335
Looks like you won't be disappointed for long...

Kenilworth to secure funding for new railway station

KENILWORTH is expected to secure £5 million of government funding on Monday (June 3) to finally get a railway station re-opened in the town.

No official announcement has yet been made but MP Patrick McLoughlin, Secretary of State for Transport, will be in the town on Monday afternoon and is expected to confirm the grant then, paving the way for the station to be constructed off Priory Road.


Chris

Interestingly it also says:

Leamington Observer said:
A initial bid by Warwickshire County Council, for a grant toward the £11.3m scheme, was unsuccessful in February but the Department of Transport revealed recent that four more projects would be receiving funding.
 

YorkshireBear

Established Member
Joined
23 Jul 2010
Messages
8,686
Interestingly it also says:

We did wonder why so little was announced. Maybe the next lot of funding will be for stations opening in 2015/2016. Ie later so as to stagger station openings therefore max political gain.

I wonder what the other four are...
 

WatcherZero

Established Member
Joined
25 Feb 2010
Messages
10,272
Im not 100% sure its refering to a second set of four, I think its refering to the recent four, the tenses are just a bit weird.
 
Joined
9 Feb 2009
Messages
807
Im not 100% sure its refering to a second set of four, I think its refering to the recent four, the tenses are just a bit weird.

I definitely agree with you there. Never underestimate the ability of a politician to re-announce something as if it's new...
 

Eagle

Established Member
Joined
20 Feb 2011
Messages
7,106
Location
Leamingrad / Blanfrancisco
From BBC News:

Kenilworth railway station plan receives £5m backing

Plans to reintroduce a railway station to a town which lost its rail link in the 1960s have been announced. Proposals for a new £11.3m station for Kenilworth were submitted in March, including a request for £5m from the government's New Stations Fund. Transport Secretary Patrick McLoughlin is visiting the Warwickshire town later and has announced the scheme has government backing.

Kenilworth lost its station, but not its track, in the 1960s Beeching cuts.

The New Stations Fund will provide up to £5m, which is the biggest single allocation since the fund launched. The remaining money needed for the project will come from Warwickshire County Council. The bid for funding was the latest of repeated plans to replace the station.

Councillor Peter Butlin, portfolio holder for transport and highways, said having the new station will provide better access to employment opportunities for people in the town. "With the introduction of the new train service, the benefits are going to be felt over a much wider area," he added.

Tim Harris, editor of Railway News, said it would be good news for the town. "Kenilworth is one of the largest towns in the whole of the West Midlands that doesn't have a railway station and this has been a long time coming," he added.

In April 2011 the council announced funding had been refused but said the scheme remained "a priority". Graham Hyde from ASK (A Station for Kenilworth) said: "With the New Stations Fund money theoretically it could be built within 18 months or two years."

Train operator London Midland said it expects to provide local services to the town. CrossCountry Trains said it supports the station plans but has not made any local service decisions. Currently long-distance trains that do not make local stops use the route. It is hoped a regular service will eventually run linking Kenilworth with Leamington Spa and Coventry.

At least the BBC report actually has a picture of Kenilworth station, and not what appears to be a random SWT station (looks very familiar but I can't place which one it is).


To be honest this station was kind of inevitable, what with the proposed electrification and track dualling.
 

mwmbwls

Member
Joined
14 Dec 2009
Messages
648
Status
Not open for further replies.

Top