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East Coast dry train trial

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Furrball

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East Coast have announced a 4 week trial affecting the 09.52 from Aberdeen as far as Newcastle.

03/05/2013
ScotlandCustomer ServiceHuman InterestSafety
Four-week Friday trial aims to ensure comfortable travel for all

Train operator East Coast is to trial an alcohol ban on a morning train from North East Scotland to ensure comfortable travel for passengers.

The four-week trial will apply on Fridays only from 10 May to 31 May inclusive, and will only apply to the 09.52 service from Aberdeen, for journeys as far south as Newcastle. The train calls at several stations along Scotland’s North East coast, including Stonehaven, Montrose, Arbroath and Dundee.

The restriction means passengers will not be able to bring alcohol in any form onto this train, or to drink it on-board. No alcohol will be sold at the train’s cafe-bar, though other hot and cold refreshments will continue to be available as usual.

East Coast’s Commercial and Customer Service Director Peter Williams said: “We are trialling this for four weeks from next Friday, following discussions with the British Transport Police.

“The trial follows a number of recent instances of anti-social behaviour on this train between Aberdeen and Newcastle. Our aim is to ensure that all of our customers can enjoy a more pleasant and comfortable journey.

“It’s important that we send a clear and responsible message to all passengers that anti-social behaviour which spoils the journey for everyone won’t be tolerated.

“We will carefully review the results at the end of the four-week trial before making any decision on this for the longer term.”

East Coast is emailing those who have booked tickets for the Friday 09.52 from Aberdeen via its website, www.eastcoast.co.uk and from other leading online ticket retailers, to let them know in advance about the change.

During the trial period, British Transport Police officers will enforce the alcohol ban at stations where the train calls, as well as on-board the service.

ENDS.

Notes to Editors
Under Byelaw 4 (2) of the Railway Byelaws, it is a criminal offence for any person travelling on services where the possession or sale of intoxicating liquor has been prohibited, to attempt to enter such trains with alcohol in their possession, or to be in possession of alcohol while on-board the train.

East Coast works closely with the British Transport Police and other train operators to review the relatively small number of incidents on its trains and managed stations and consider if restrictions on the sale and consumption of alcohol are appropriate, to ensure the safety of all passengers.


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I guess there are passengers who have just left their oil rig and not had a drink for a month.
Many years ago a similar incident happened on a train from Aberdeen that I was travelling on, the police had a guy off the train at Berwick, absolutely legless.
 

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More like Stag and in particular Hen parties.

Interesting how this will affect the free alcoholic beverages as part of the first class service.
 

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It's an interesting trial. I rarely feel the urge for a drink on the train myself, but I have no problem with those who do so in moderation. I think the problem is often with those who "start early", and drink steadily from then on; in a 4 or 6 hour journey they can put away a remarkable amount, probably without realising quite how far gone they are before lunchtime.

I'm always amazed by the sight of people getting onto my morning commute, (which goes on past my place of work to deliver them to the ECML and points beyond), starting on the drink at 9:30. Often hen/stag parties, but sometimes middle-aged ladies heading for a days shopping!
 

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Pre central door locking being installed - a study was done on falls from trains and the circumstances thereof - surprisingly (!) - alcohol had a lot to do with and much to do with serious drinking en route. One unfortunate , found near Berwick on Tweed had the equivalent of 2 bottles of spirits in his blood - (not sure if it was an up Aberdeen)
 

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Hmm. I don't like this.

I don't have a problem with companies imposing the odd dry train here and there to deal with specific circumstances, but anything approaching blanket bans seems like abusing the priviledge to me.

The thin end of the wedge. I don't like where this might be heading.

That said, I suppose it is a morning train, so it's not so bad.
 

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Love this bit-

During the trial period, British Transport Police officers will enforce the alcohol ban at stations where the train calls, as well as on-board the service.
1) are the BTP going to be at each station before the train gets there to ensure the train is not delayed or
2) BTP will be travelling on the train and will be checking everyone before they board, slowing the boarding and delaying the train.

Are they saying there is a problem with drunks at 0952 in a morning?
They should try any train after 2300 on a Friday or Saturday night.
 

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Interesting how this will affect the free alcoholic beverages as part of the first class service.
Well, it's only as far as Newcastle, which the train reaches just before 2pm.

And I think it's obvious how it will "affect the free alcoholic beverages as part of the first class service"... there won't be any between Aberdeen and Newcastle!

I don't have a problem with companies imposing the odd dry train here and there to deal with specific circumstances, but anything approaching blanket bans seems like abusing the priviledge to me.
There are quite a few 'permanent' dry trains:
Every TfL service (LO/LU/DLR)
Every T&W Metro train
Every Scotrail train before 10am and after 9pm
21:18 Newcastle-Carlisle on Saturdays
19:15 Whitby-Middlesbrough on Saturdays
19:27 & 20:28 York-Middlesbrough on Saturdays
Some late services to Barrow on Saturdays
 

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I am one of "those" who do like to have a beer on the train. But I always do it in moderation - but I understand some do get very "vocal" and occasionally anti-social under the influence of alcohol.

But, it is the minority spoiling it for the majority I'm afraid once again.
 

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Perhaps if there was a better facility to deal with alcoholic/drunken behaviour onboard trains this wouldn't need to happen. More BTP/security staff and staff not just ignoring the problem because there is no backup would be good.

Being able to eat and drink on trains, especially alcohol, should be a clear USP over the car. It's also a great money spinner of course!
 

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I can see why they want to banning bringing as well as drinking alcohol, but it might catch the likes of someone going to visit a friend for the weekend and bringing a bottle as thanks for the hospitality. And if they intend to catch such people they will have to search everybody's luggage, which I think even the police can't do without reasonable suspicion.
 

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Bit of a strange one. Is it people going up to London for a stag/hen do, or perhaps Newcastle which has a reputation for nightlife. You would have thought the next train would be worse. Anybody who lives in the far North any enlightenment?
 

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There are quite a few 'permanent' dry trains:
Every TfL service (LO/LU/DLR)
Every T&W Metro train
Every Scotrail train before 10am and after 9pm
21:18 Newcastle-Carlisle on Saturdays
19:15 Whitby-Middlesbrough on Saturdays
19:27 & 20:28 York-Middlesbrough on Saturdays
Some late services to Barrow on Saturdays

There's little to no enforcement on LO and LU - I see much the same level of drinking as before the ban - and most of the problems are with people who are drunk rather than people who are drinking.
 

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I know plenty of people dislike this, but I personally think its a great idea. Will be glad when its extended to the whole network. A train is not a place for drinking alcohol.
 

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Working as a barman in previous employment I can say I welcome this trial. I don't drink masses of alcohol myself due to medical reasons, however, I really don't feel comfortable sitting on a train whilst someone is drinking alcohol nearby. I just cannot trust whether they are just having a casual drink or are full on alchy's.

The ban in the morning until Newcastle would indicate to me that this would mean alcohol would be on sale after 11am (by my reckoning) which is kind of inline with the 'on License' hours for the sale of alcoholic beverages.

I also find it generally horrid how people have lowered their standards so much as to drink that early in the morning. I find it terrible. I also know and have seen what alcohol does to people in the long term and that's another reason why I think this trial is a good idea. It gives the chance for some people to not drink as much as they would normally, which I believe is a good thing and can help people live a better life quality wise.
 

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The ban in the morning until Newcastle would indicate to me that this would mean alcohol would be on sale after 11am (by my reckoning) which is kind of inline with the 'on License' hours for the sale of alcoholic beverages.

0952 train gets in Newcastle 1357.
 

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Working as a barman in previous employment I can say I welcome this trial. I don't drink masses of alcohol myself due to medical reasons, however, I really don't feel comfortable sitting on a train whilst someone is drinking alcohol nearby. I just cannot trust whether they are just having a casual drink or are full on alchy's.

The ban in the morning until Newcastle would indicate to me that this would mean alcohol would be on sale after 11am (by my reckoning) which is kind of inline with the 'on License' hours for the sale of alcoholic beverages.

I also find it generally horrid how people have lowered their standards so much as to drink that early in the morning. I find it terrible. I also know and have seen what alcohol does to people in the long term and that's another reason why I think this trial is a good idea. It gives the chance for some people to not drink as much as they would normally, which I believe is a good thing and can help people live a better life quality wise.

I'm a barman, and I see your point, but Newcastle is a big 'night out' destination for Scots - especially since "Geordie Shore" started a few years back. It's not to do with licenced hours in this case, plod is a regular on these trains due to the booze-fuelled bams causing trouble - it was in The Courier up here over a year ago.

I don't have a problem with people drinking on longer journeys (is there really a point on a 45min run into town?), but I do find myself keeping an eye on them - comes in handy when working as a railtour steward.
 

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Middlesbrough and the North East seem to feature heavily in these workings !!!
 

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Middlesbrough and the North East seem to feature heavily in these workings !!!

That might be to do with the fact that the trains mentioned are the last trains of the night on those routes. I bet if you looked round the network and studied the amount of drunks on the final trains of the night a similar amount of drunks would be found. You've only got to think back a few months to the recent TV series, how many shots of Legless passengers did we see catching the last few trains home.
In places where there are lots of evening trains to choose from to get home, the amount of drunks get spaced out during the evening, so there are fewer drunks on each train, so it becomes more manageable.
 

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Hmm. I don't like this.

I don't have a problem with companies imposing the odd dry train here and there to deal with specific circumstances, but anything approaching blanket bans seems like abusing the priviledge to me.

The thin end of the wedge. I don't like where this might be heading.

That said, I suppose it is a morning train, so it's not so bad.

They are obviously doing it to target a particular problem-would you not prefer they do this that cause long delays whilst kicking drunks off or passengers feeling threatened and intimidated by drunks?

Its certainly not an abuse of privilege, I'm sure you can last 4 hours without alcohol!

East coast often have dry trains after football-there have been a few lately off kings cross early evening and no one is allowed alcohol on board - they have teams of BTP on the platforms checking.
 

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There are quite a few 'permanent' dry trains:
Every T&W Metro train
Are they? :shock: You would never be able to tell. The only enforcement of this rule seems to be through the lack of toilets on the units - Always had to pace and time the pre-drinks at home in Sunderland correctly when going for a night out in Newcastle to ensure that the ol' bladder made it through the journey, which always put a damper on any thoughts of drinking more en route!
 

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Are they? :shock: You would never be able to tell.
A few posts back I mentioned that there was very little drinking on the tube - well, yes that's definitely not the case for Metro!

I think part (but only part) of the problem is the lack of any police presence. BTP don't police the T&W Metro and (other than on matchdays) I've never seen a Northumbria Police office on board.

There was a lot of talk a few years ago about Metro hiring on-board staff for evenings (not security per se) but I've never seen one.
 
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