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Weary Walker

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Sorry I couldn't think of a clearer short description.

Can two tickets be combined / considered as one journey where there is a walk between two stations?

Examples:
From Three Bridges, to go north of London I will buy a ticket to St Pancras then walk to whichever station my train goes from (assuming an advance for the next section). If my FCC journey is delayed by 2 hours where do I stand with the following:
Advance ticket departing St Pancras (covered I believe)
Advance ticket departing Kings Cross
Advance ticket departing Euston (especially if my onward ticket was on the sleeper)
Advance ticket departing Marylebone.

In the above cases do I need a ticket from Three Bridges to the station my next train departs from or is a Three Bridges - St Pancras ticket sufficient to create 1 journey?

Second query this time in Glasgow.
I have an advance due in at Glasgow Central @ 17:05
I have an advance for the Glasgow Queen Street to Fort William @ 18:21
(Which is also the last train of the day)

Do these two tickets represent 1 journey or does the walk between stations negate that?
 
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Sorry I couldn't think of a clearer short description.

Can two tickets be combined / considered as one journey where there is a walk between two stations?

Depends on the specific situation.

Examples:
From Three Bridges, to go north of London I will buy a ticket to St Pancras then walk to whichever station my train goes from (assuming an advance for the next section). If my FCC journey is delayed by 2 hours where do I stand with the following:
Advance ticket departing St Pancras (covered I believe)

Yes, absolutely.

Advance ticket departing Kings Cross
Advance ticket departing Euston (especially if my onward ticket was on the sleeper)
Advance ticket departing Marylebone.

In the above cases do I need a ticket from Three Bridges to the station my next train departs from or is a Three Bridges - St Pancras ticket sufficient to create 1 journey?

I believe that you are covered if both of your tickets are to/from London Terminals and you have followed the minimum connection time. However as Three Bridges - St Pancras would be issued specifically to St Pancras, this is less clear cut. While I think you should still be covered, others may disagree.

If you want to be absolutely sure that you are covered in the event of delays to an earlier service, either buy your Three Bridges ticket to Zone U1* Londn, or the other ticket from Zone U1* Londn.

Second query this time in Glasgow.
I have an advance due in at Glasgow Central @ 17:05
I have an advance for the Glasgow Queen Street to Fort William @ 18:21
(Which is also the last train of the day)

Do these two tickets represent 1 journey or does the walk between stations negate that?

Are they both issued to/from Glasgow Cen/Qst? If so then you are definitely covered.

If not, I still believe you should be covered, however others might disagree.
 

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Second query this time in Glasgow.
I have an advance due in at Glasgow Central @ 17:05
I have an advance for the Glasgow Queen Street to Fort William @ 18:21
(Which is also the last train of the day)

It might actually be cheaper/better to split at somewhere like Dalmuir*, but it depends on the specific tickets you want to buy.

(* specify via: GLQ if you want to to get an itinerary involving a walk, rather than change twice with less walking)
 

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....Can two tickets be combined / considered as one journey where there is a walk between two stations?

Examples:
From Three Bridges, to go north of London I will buy a ticket to St Pancras then walk to whichever station my train goes from (assuming an advance for the next section). If my FCC journey is delayed by 2 hours where do I stand with the following:
Advance ticket departing St Pancras (covered I believe)
Advance ticket departing Kings Cross
Advance ticket departing Euston (especially if my onward ticket was on the sleeper)
Advance ticket departing Marylebone.

In the above cases do I need a ticket from Three Bridges to the station my next train departs from or is a Three Bridges - St Pancras ticket sufficient to create 1 journey?....

It's surprisingly rare to get this question on the forum, but I believe the last time it did there were three answers given.

(i) You are covered
(ii) You are not covered
(iii) You are covered provided that (a) you are not transferring between stations in London, or (b) you have a LUL ticket to cover the transfer.

As far as I see it, if your entire journey is covered by the tickets you hold and you have allowed the minimum interchange time, you should be allowed use of the next available service (taking any TOC restrictions into account).

If part of your journey is walking between stations I fail to see why you should need to buy a ticket for it (especially if it is not even a railway ticket!), but as bb21 suggests, the safest way is to buy a ticket to or from Zone U1.
 

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It might be helpful to Weary Walker to post in full the rules the train companies have issued to staff on this subject. All our opinions are attempts to interpret these rules.
Frequently Asked Questions about travelling with Advance fares.

Q22 - Can a passenger travel on any trains other than the one on which they are reserved, without changing the booking?

A:
The following principles apply.

1). Start of the Journey. It is the passenger’s responsibility to turn up at the start of the journey in time for the first train. If they miss it due to problems parking, taxi not turning up etc, they must buy a new ticket;

2). Once the journey has begun. If the passenger is delayed and the rail industry or its partners (as shown below) is at fault, which should be checked with your Control Office, change to another train of the same company is allowed to get them to their destination with the least delay. This is irrespective of combinations of rail tickets held. Examples are:

Included: are passengers travelling on valid:
  • Through domestic or international tickets; e.g. Brighton - Scarborough route “+TOC X & Connections”;
  • Through rail & partner tickets for which there is a through bus, tube, ferry or metro fare, e.g. Zone U12 - Leeds, Wisbech Coach - York; Ryde Pier - Hull, etc;
  • Combination of domestic rail-only tickets; e.g. rail season ticket Skipton-Leeds plus Advance ticket Leeds-Peterborough; or adjoining Advance tickets;
  • Combination of domestic rail & partner tickets; e.g. Brighton - Zone U12 plus Advance ticket London-Manchester, or e.g. Advance ticket Bristol-Paddington plus tube single ticket plus Advance ticket Kings Cross to Hull; All-Zones Travelcard, PTE-products etc (where rail is included) plus Advance ticket;
  • Combination of Eurostar tickets into the UK and then either advance purchase tickets from London Terminals or “London Intnl CIV” or “Lndon Eurostar CIV”.
Not included: for the avoidance of doubt, are:
  • Non train-company travel on separate tickets e.g. journeys that commence on bus-only, tube-only, ferry-only or metro-only tickets. (This includes “PlusBus” which is a local day-Rover bus ticket, not compatible with a medium/ long distance ‘Advance’ single journey, so are kept as separate tickets); or
  • Tickets that cannot be read on-train e.g. smartcards (but allowable where electronically checked, delay verified and Advance ticket endorsed in Travel Centres).
Please note there is no change to:
  • Any other rules, e.g. trains stopping where tickets join together (NRCoC 19); nor
  • The need to verify that a passenger has been genuinely delayed en route, and ticket endorsed; nor
  • Any other passenger entitlements as defined by the NRCoC or CIV conditions; nor
  • General ATOC disruption guidance; nor
  • Your discretion in extreme circumstances!
In all cases, as a missed connection could be quite distant from your part of the country, where verified, please clearly endorse the ticket for colleagues ‘down the line’. Eurostar have also agreed to do this.

last updated on: 18/01/13
 
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