C Stock

bluegoblin7 · 13 May 2013

Dstock7080 said:
There is no guarantee the train will run at these times or route, it could go direct via Victoria, Aldgate to Watford without reversing.

Guessed that would be the case! I'll hang around at the top end for a while, no worries if I miss it! Thanks again.

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Ran pretty much to time today, although it left Acton late and turned at Rayners Lane in the platform rather than Ruislip. Off-railed around 1415 and left Northwood at around 1510.

Although I didn't see it myself, it also apparently ran parallel with one of the remaining A stock trains through Northwood (A stock on the fast), and would have passed Sarah Siddons and two battery locos somewhere on the Piccadilly, which went through about ten minutes before the C stock heading towards Acton(?) and minutes after I got off my train!

A pleasing day, particularly with the above two surprises (I grabbed the A stock in a couple of other places). I'll post a few photos up here later.

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Peter Mugridge · 13 May 2013

Dstock7080 said:
5528 must be the west/north unit, as that's how the train arrived at Acton, both 5588 5701 were facing east/south.

I am told it was 5528 + 5588 that Met* their end today, although I did not observe the run, being in Doncaster today.

*See what I did there?!

bluegoblin7 · 13 May 2013

Peter Mugridge said:
I am told it was 5528 + 5588 that Met* their end today, although I did not observe the run, being in Doncaster today.

Correct - 5588+6588 left today, with 5528+6528 remaining at Northwood for I guess disposal later this week.

I saw very few people following the run, although five of us were gathered at Northwood for 'the end'.

Dstock7080 · 16 May 2013

More 6-car C Stock to go 20/5, 3/6 from Northwood.

Peter Mugridge · 17 May 2013

Are they all going to go from Northwood now?

Julian G · 17 May 2013

Peter Mugridge said:
Are they all going to go from Northwood now?

Yes they are.

astock5000 · 19 May 2013

19/05/2013:
5501-6501 + 5603-6603 + 6578-5578 214
5511-6511 + 6564-5564 + 6591-5591 070
5544-6544 + 6517-5517 + 6568-5568 241
5558-6558 + 5510-6510 + 6714-5714 240 - Formation change
5571-6571 + 6550-5550 + 6596-5596 2xx (Circle)
5590-6590 + 6552-5552 + 6733-5733 207
5593-6593 + 5574-6574 + 6704-5704 204
5598-6598 + 5709-6709 + 6728-5728 213
5602-6602 + 6573-5573 + 6706-5706 2xx

Peter Mugridge · 11 Jun 2013

I managed to observe all of today's ( 10th June ) C Stock diagrams thanks to my starting a 30 day photo permit today ( as an aside I cleared my last six C Stock units for photo today as well.

) and the full list is as below, although I must apologise for not noting which rake was on which diagram:

5578 + 5603 + 5501
5711 + 5601 + 5522
5712 + 5541 + 5706
5721 + 5555 + 5594
5579 + 5504 + 5597
5716 + 5508 + 5584
5585 + 5512 + 5592
5596 + 5550 + 5571
5580 + 5502 + 5704
5558 + 5510 + 5714
5520 + 5561 + 5536
5538 + 5586 + 5604
5702 + 5557 + 5572
5539 + 5725 + 5724
5593 + 5574 + 5569
5710 + 5537 + 5606
5509 + 5577 + 5525
5705 + 5547 + 5703
5533 + 5546 + 5548
5727 + 5583 + 5576
5718 + 5535 + 5719
5715 + 5722 + 5506
5599 + 5566 + 5726
5568 + 5517 + 5544
5562 + 5582 + 5542
5728 + 5709 + 5598
5526 + 5720 + 5734
5600 + 5543 + 5723
5545 + 5559 + 5729
5516 + 5513 + 5529
5511 + 5564 + 5591

There were nine S7 diagrams operating on the H&C today:

21301/2
21305/6
21311/2
21315/6
21321/2
21331/2
21335/6
21339/40
21341/2

Please feel free to copy this gen around elsewhere.

astock5000 · 27 Jun 2013

26/06/2013:
5522-6522 + 5601-6601 + 6711-5711 216
5533-6533 + 6546-5546 + 6548-5548 215
5563-6563 + 6573-5573 + 6717-5717 200 - Formation change
5579-6579 + 6504-5504 + 6597-5597 237
5598-6598 + 5709-6709 + 6728-5728 214
5703-6703 +[5560-6560]+ 6705-5705 211 - Formation change

And S7 stock:
21311 241
21329 243
21335 240
21341 232?

tranzitjim · 28 Jun 2013

How easy would it be to buy a C stock train?

Has CS Booth been known to sell complete rolling stock?

455driver · 28 Jun 2013

tranzitjim said:
How easy would it be to buy a C stock train?

Quite easily, just make them an offer that makes it worthwhile.

tranzitjim said:
Has CS Booth been known to sell complete rolling stock?

Yes very much so.

One point though-
Where are you going to keep the train once purchased?

causton · 28 Jun 2013

455driver said:
Quite easily, just make them an offer that makes it worthwhile.

I'm not sure. One of my local bus companies, who do a mixture of local services, private hire, film work and rail replacement, wanted to buy a whole 67 stock train but Booth's refused as apparently it was not allowed in the contract!*

*They wanted to buy the train under the official line of "so film crews could use it like they use our buses" but probably a little bit because the owner is an enthusiast!

tranzitjim · 28 Jun 2013

I would like to buy a few for Australia where I am at.

What would a fair price be for a complete 6 car train?

Peter Mugridge · 28 Jun 2013

tranzitjim said:
How easy would it be to buy a C stock train?

Very difficult - I believe the terms of disposal are the same as they were with the A Stock, and probably will be for all future disposals from the Underground.

tranzitjim · 29 Jun 2013

The deal would be with CS Booth, for me to buy them from CS Booth.

I was provided their details by LU. I had first enquired with LU, and from that I got the details of CS Booth.

I guess it is time for another email with LU.

Peter Mugridge · 29 Jun 2013

You will need to get it in writing on letterhead, I think, that TfL / LU are allowing you to negotiate with CF Booth otherwise Booth's will probably just refer you back to 55 Broadway...

To get agreement from the Underground you may well need to afree that it will be preserved at all times in a condition with which TfL / LU are happy; they are very protective of their image these days! ( For the same reasons you'll probably be told that you will definitely NOT be permitted to negotiate for units 5606 and 5734... )

Incidentally, you would only really need 4 cars rather than 6 to have a complete train - although a standard formation is 6 cars, remember that this is 3 x 2 car units. You can have a 4 car set with a cab at each end. To go for a 6 car set will straight away add 50% to your costs.

With 4 cars you could have one unit each of the C69 and C77 variants.

WinterChief · 30 Jun 2013

The main issue is asbestos and all the C69 versions contain asbestos, whereas the C77's don't (There may be a couple of places the 77's do and I will verify in due course). If you were to buy them the original vendor is responsible for it (in this case TfL) and for that reason they might now want anything to do with it.

Try to chase up the C77's when they go. Me and a select few are having a few snoops at trying to preserve a 4 car set, but nothing confirmed as of yet.

tranzitjim · 30 Jun 2013

Pitty no one was able to preserve one or two of the 'Victoria Line' train sets.

No one wants to preserve any C69 stock, even if they must pay to remove the asbestos before they can collect it?

What about the D stock? Are they going to be given a second life?

I would say, you would need to remove the roundel and any words 'London Underground' from the train. If you where to pay for the painting over of that before it leaves CF booth?

How protective would they be of the 'Red white and blue' color scheme they are now using?

Peter Mugridge · 30 Jun 2013

Have they trademarked or otherwise registered the red, white and blue livery?

Failing that you could always paint them in the proper colour scheme that they should have always had... red!

317666 · 2 Jul 2013

It looks like 5701 has gone to the new University Technical College, in Greenwich:

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/media/newscentre/28211.aspx

https://twitter.com/TfLOfficial/status/351748168544821250/photo/1

To me it seems a little unfair that people offering to buy them for preservation are being turned down, yet a college are given one just like that.

Peter Mugridge · 2 Jul 2013

Looks like it's been freshly painted as well...

To be fair, reading the press release this appears to be the organisation that TfL gets a lot of engineers from, so it makes a lot of sense to have a redundant DM on site for training purposes doesn't it?

Nym · 2 Jul 2013

Nice to see what the press office have said there about 5701...

bronzeonion · 2 Jul 2013

WinterChief said:
The main issue is asbestos and all the C69 versions contain asbestos, whereas the C77's don't (There may be a couple of places the 77's do and I will verify in due course). If you were to buy them the original vendor is responsible for it (in this case TfL) and for that reason they might now want anything to do with it.

Try to chase up the C77's when they go. Me and a select few are having a few snoops at trying to preserve a 4 car set, but nothing confirmed as of yet.

Where is the asbestos on a C69? I thought they would have removed it on refurbishment

WinterChief · 3 Jul 2013

Between the resistor grids and the chassis. Arc chutes have asbestos in them although they are changed to new types ones when they fail.

Nym · 3 Jul 2013

WinterChief said:
Between the resistor grids and the chassis. Arc chutes have asbestos in them although they are changed to new types ones when they fail.

There's plenty of asbestos on the C69s and C77s, especially where interchangable parts have been used prior to Asbesdos isolation, it had all either been removed, or isolated. UTC Project needed this 'removed'.

Also, PCM Arc Chutes will have likely been changed a while back on campaign change, I've not come across many containing asbesdos...

Peter Mugridge · 18 Jul 2013

Formations noted 17/07/13 - does not cover all the diagrams:

5587 + 5507 + 5707
5578 + 5603 + 5501
5574 + 5510 + 5558
5601 + 5522 + 5711
5719 + 5547 + 5718
5705 + 5560 + 5703
5572 + 5557 + 5702
5533 + 5546 + 5548
5712 + 5541 + 5706
5536 + 5561 + 5520
5521 + 5567 + 5553
5605 + 5514 + 5602
5545 + 5559 + 5729
5534 + 5552 + 5733
5506 + 5722 + 5581
5717 + 5573 + 5563
5531 + 5570 + 5540
5526 + 5720 + 5734
5721 + 5555 + 5594
5529 + 5513 + 5516
5599 + 5566 + 5726
5593 + 5574 + 5569

Feel free to re-post this gen around.

astock5000 · 22 Jul 2013

Peter Mugridge said:
Formations noted 17/07/13 - does not cover all the diagrams:

5587 + 5507 + 5707
5578 + 5603 + 5501
5574 + 5510 + 5558
5601 + 5522 + 5711
5719 + 5547 + 5718
5705 + 5560 + 5703
5572 + 5557 + 5702
5533 + 5546 + 5548
5712 + 5541 + 5706
5536 + 5561 + 5520
5521 + 5567 + 5553
5605 + 5514 + 5602
5545 + 5559 + 5729
5534 + 5552 + 5733
5506 + 5722 + 5581
5717 + 5573 + 5563
5531 + 5570 + 5540
5526 + 5720 + 5734
5721 + 5555 + 5594
5529 + 5513 + 5516
5599 + 5566 + 5726
5593 + 5574 + 5569

Feel free to re-post this gen around.

I've added those to the spreadsheet I linked to on the first page of the thread. Also I noticed you have 5574 listed twice, I think '5574 + 5510 + 5558' should be '5714 + 5510 + 5558'.

22/07/2013:
5506-6506 + 6722-5722 + 6581-5581 072
5516-6516 + 6513-5513 + 6529-5529 076
5520-6520 + 6561-5561 + 6536-5536 231
5523-6523 + 6730-5730 + 6551-5551 077 - Formation change
5525-6525 + 5584-6584 + 6716-5716 217 - Formation change
5531-6531 + 5570-6570 + 6540-5540 245
5533-6533 + 6546-5546 + 6548-5548 071
5539-6539 + 6725-5725 + 6724-5724 073
5549-6549 + 5731-6731 + 6715-5715 205 - Formation change
5563-6563 + 6573-5573 + 6717-5717 234
5565-6565 + 6535-5535 + 6590-5590 Stabled at Barking sidings (with one other train) - Formation change
5569-6569 + 6574-5574 + 6593-5593 204
5571-6571 + 6550-5550 + 6596-5596 233
5572-6572 + 6557-5557 + 6702-5702 2xx
5587-6587 + 6507-5507 + 6707-5707 07x

S7 stock:
21325 240
21329 242
21331 232
21339 230
21347 236

Train 241 and 243? were also operated with S stock.
Unit 21341 was stabled at Wembley Park.

Peter Mugridge · 22 Jul 2013

astock5000 said:
I've added those to the spreadsheet I linked to on the first page of the thread. Also I noticed you have 5574 listed twice, I think '5574 + 5510 + 5558' should be '5714 + 5510 + 5558'.

Oops.... I can't read my own handwriting! :oops:

tranzitjim · 6 Aug 2013

This morning, I found the following message in my inbox

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Thank you for your further email, and I apologise for the delay in replying.

The trains were sold to CF Booth for scrapping and in general we do not sell on old train carriages. This is because of REACH regulations regarding hazardous materials.

After further investigations it appears that the C stock trains you refer to will not be available for purchase because of these regulations. I'm sorry to disappoint you in this respect.

Please contact me again if you need any help in the future.

Kind regards

Dstock7080 · 6 Aug 2013

"not be available for purchase . . ." although we don't mind donating a few to Universities or Colleges.

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