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johntea

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Yesterday I came across something which I thought was quite poor.

Basically travelling on the 22:39 from Sheffield to Leeds, getting off at Castleford. (Terminating Leeds).

Due to engineering works or whatever was going on the train was still going to Leeds however would go the alternative route once it reached Wakefield Kirkgate and bypass Normanton / Castleford and Woodlesford.

Now I had already checked my phone in advance and knew I would be changing at Wakefield Kirkgate where a replacement bus service would be provided to those intermediate stations - However there was absolutely no mention of this replacement bus offering on the information screens / announcements at Sheffield nor by the conductor on the train (as far as I was aware).

Not everyone has the facility of a smart phone to check information like I did in advance, I just found it a bit odd that Northern had arranged the replacement bus service but nobody seemed too keen on actually advertising the fact it would be there! (I was one of two people that made use of it!)
 
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That is poor. I would feed it back to Northern.

Where at Kirkgate did the bus stop? I believe the free minibus is temporarily diverted away from the station front due to roadworks.
 
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The issue of poor infomation from Northern and buses replacing trains has been brough up on our " Lincolnshire " thread as well.

Northern put up the wrong infomation for the planned engineering works between Retford - Cleethorpes/Lincoln.

For some reason most stations had the infomation of the replacement bus service for the Barton Upon Humber line :o
 

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With last weekends engineering work on the Airedale line between Shipley and Skipton Northern couldn't have done much more to advise passengers. They were messages on the departure boards at stations from mid week, replacement bus timetables placed at stations and on the train I caught from Leeds to Shipley the conductor made an announcement before departure regarding the need to change at Shipley then also advised passengers as she checked tickets. Hard to believe the same company can mess up elsewhere, especially as it is within the same area (ex ATN territory) so presumably the same people are responsible for the info?

The only thing that could have been improved on is at Leeds the screens were showing the train as 1308 Shipley, with no mention of a forward bus service. The auto announcer also failed to advise of the bus service, so to anyone not previously aware of the engineering works may have been confused as to how to travel beyond Shipley
 

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I got stranded in South Norwood once.

I finished a duty at Norwood Junction at 00:59, and there was a last Rail Replacement Bus due to go to Sutton at 01:15. I stood at the spot where the bus stops until 01:35 and it never showed up. Appalling! I ended up getting home at 03:15 and had to be up at 08:00 the next morning. :shock:

I just don't get what happened to the bus, how can it just not turn up?
 

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I just don't get what happened to the bus, how can it just not turn up?

Roadworks leading to an unsuitable route or none whatsoever being available; bus sourcing/crewing issues; accident; bus breakdown... basically much like railway services!

I usually see advice that passengers should use the Help Point Information buttons to seek assistance if planned replacement buses don't turn up within a reasonable time, or if there is some problem with bus sourcing. These buttons are often connected to National Rail Enquiries, it seems, so they may or may not be of any help, as opposed to an operator who is obliged to be...
 

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I was traveling from Edinburgh to Liverpool a few weeks back and there was a replacement bus on the last service from Warrington Central to Liverpool, there was no information at all at Warrington and the station was closed and locked up. There were at least 5 passengers who knew nothing about the bus and were panicking because the station was closed.

I did a good search and there were no notices outside the station and talking to the people waiting they were all on AP tickets (changing at Warrington BQ from the South and walking to Central) and not one of them were told that there was a bus replacement.

The railways get so much right, but, sometimes communication can be an issue.
 

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I remember when I have got off the train from Cardiff at Bridgend at 22:25 and there were people waiting for the rail replacement bus to Cardiff which served Pencoed & Ponyclun as the 2215 Maesteg -Cardiff service was diverted via the Vale of glamorgan line.

Guess what bus should have met the train at 22:45 outside the station no bus had shown up at 23:20 so a number of people to Pontyclun ended up getting a taxi while those for Pencoed travelled on the 23:33 Bridgend - Heol-Y-Cyw bus which stops in Pencoed
 

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I think there are serious issues around rail replacement buses that the industry has consistently failed to address. There seem to be no fixed protocol or industry standards for rail replacement buses in place, either for the standards of the vehicles or the drivers.

Why are station forecourts not designed with rail replacement buses in mind? Why are the points that replacement buses call at not permanently defined in a clear and obvious way?

Why are staff frequently not present at stations when replacement buses are in operation to assist passengers, and I mean proper knowledgeable railway staff, not college students from an agency on minimum wage.

I've been on many rail replacement journey's, the standard of the drivers is often exceptionally low, on one occasion I even felt compelled to ring the police. It's part of the railways operation that merits serious examination in my opinion.
 

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There is a bus stop right outside teh station building at Bridgend sadly no buses use it even on sundays they just come up station hill and go down Court Road.

The problem at Bridgend is that the bus stop area is used by car drivers dropping people off and waiting to pick someone up even if they have to wait for 20 minutes.

(Greenback and others who have used Bridgend station will know what I mean)
 

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Roadworks leading to an unsuitable route or none whatsoever being available; bus sourcing/crewing issues; accident; bus breakdown... basically much like railway services!

I usually see advice that passengers should use the Help Point Information buttons to seek assistance if planned replacement buses don't turn up within a reasonable time, or if there is some problem with bus sourcing. These buttons are often connected to National Rail Enquiries, it seems, so they may or may not be of any help, as opposed to an operator who is obliged to be...

Or the bus driver might have had inadequate route instructions and got lost (at least that doesn't happen that often with trains!)

Snag with help points is that a certain well known but unwritten law says the minute you go back to the platform to use it, that's when the bus will go past...

And since National Rail Enquiries doesn't always have info about replacement bus services (I believe that if it doesn't get the info X weeks in advance, it won't show it) talking to them isn't a lot of use...

I think there are serious issues around rail replacement buses that the industry has consistently failed to address. There seem to be no fixed protocol or industry standards for rail replacement buses in place, either for the standards of the vehicles or the drivers.

Why are station forecourts not designed with rail replacement buses in mind? Why are the points that replacement buses call at not permanently defined in a clear and obvious way?

Why are staff frequently not present at stations when replacement buses are in operation to assist passengers, and I mean proper knowledgeable railway staff, not college students from an agency on minimum wage.

I've been on many rail replacement journey's, the standard of the drivers is often exceptionally low, on one occasion I even felt compelled to ring the police. It's part of the railways operation that merits serious examination in my opinion.

Can concur with some of that.

Obviously, some railway forecourts were designed in an age when motor vehicles didn't exist, let alone 12 metre plus coaches... Some stations simply don't have forecourts.

And some replacement routes can operate a much shorter route by picking up a short distance from a station rather than making a lengthy detour to get to the station door.

But where that happens, there most certainly should be good signage.

South West Trains seem reasonable at temporary "this way for replacement bus" signs from station to bus stop.

Extra info on bus stops seems very variable - at some stations in London there's a "rail replacement buses stop here" flash on the bus stop flag, at others there isn't - some TOCs seem to have got TfL's co-operation here, others don't. I don't know who is to blame here.

Outside London, it varies whether bus stops are owned / maintained by operators or local / county councils, so it's probably even more complicated.

There can be variations depending on, for example, whether buses are terminating at station X (therefore maybe only one stop is used) or running a through service via station X, in which case it might be more sensible to use stops on opposite sides of the road.

But there needs to be a way that intending passengers can find this out! And not for there to be so many different versions of the 'official' route in circulation that the right stop will depend on which version of the route the bus driver was given...

Different ToC's seem to have different approaches to staffing rail replacement. FCC seem to try more than some to have staff at key stations, but don't staff all stations by any stretch of the imagination.

Southern and South Eastern don't ever seem to have any visible staff looking after their buses even at terminus / interchange points, and on one or two occasions I've found (for example) that Southern's station staff at London Bridge don't even know that a rail replacement service is happening when it's running from from Tooley Street...

As for the idea of railway staff being present at all stations when there's a replacement on - Do today's railways even have enough staff to round up sufficient people to staff every wayside station for 2 shifts on a Sunday when those wayside stations may only be part time staffed by a single person on weekdays? I somehow suspect not. Even if all concerned were prepared to work Sunday overtime.

I don't know if a "one size fits all" approach to vehicles would work - for a London suburban line, double deck buses are probably the best thing to use (unless of course there's a low bridge or two to think about), for longer distance services, coaches with plenty of luggage space and a toilet would be appropriate. There's also some stations that either passenger demand or physical access constraints means you can't get a vehicle bigger than X anywhere near the station.
 

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Birmingham New Street has a dedicated stand for them about 300m from the station exit - right next to a service bus stop and a megabus stop.
 

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I think if the rail replacement bus doesn't turn up there isn't much point using the help point. This is because as the buses are contracted out they will not 'report' as passing anywhere therefore the operator (that will probably be outsourced and hard to understand) won't know anymore than you.
 

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Perhaps one reason for using the help-point in such circumstances would be that the TOC will then have received a logged complaint, with your name, the station concerned and the time that the bus had failed to appear, which, hopefully, should make it easier to claim reimbursement for the necessary taxi fare.
 
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At Sherburn in Elmet railway station (yorkshire) earlier this year, the drivers' pace notes directed them to the opposite side of the railway line to where the notices on the platform directed passengers.

Hopefully this is fixed now.
 

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The public bus timetables on the stops by Merseyrail stations have signs saying Rail Replacement buses to (whichever destination) stop here.
 
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