that is an almighty <woops> up and will lead to problems, just admit they fu got it wrong and stick it in the non driving side.
Not going to happen is it?
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that is an almighty <woops> up and will lead to problems, just admit they fu got it wrong and stick it in the non driving side.
Not going to happen is it?
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Not going to happen. CIS upgrade a la Desiros is costed, additional screens in passengers windows to compensate. I'd say that's more likely, but I honestly don't know if it will happen. Passengers don't pay attention to front end screens anyway, they're too small and difficult to make out. Saloon side screens and (working!) platform screens do the job adequately.
southern442
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Will there be any side screens on the 458's?
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But hardly unexpected, given the pics earlier in this thread?
Peter Mugridge
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At least they've put the proper ( ie full ) number on it...
causton
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No, that looks very ugly. I would have preferred just the 4 digits!
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But it looks awful. Almost as if if was photoshopped on
All standardisation, as per Desiros. Commonality is the name of the game :roll:
Peter Mugridge
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I'd like to see the SWT 455s get the leading two digits added - Southern did it ages ago.
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It probably looks more unusual because it is black on yellow. The equivalent on the Desiros is white on black, and as far as I can see roughly the same size. I don't recall it being criticised at all?
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I'd rather the 450s and 444s lost the leading 2 digits. It's a piece of railway tradition for 3rd rail EMUs in the ex SR area to have 4 digit numbers on the trains themselves.
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456, 465 and 466 units have always carried the full 6 digit number from introduction way back at the start of the 1990s, so the 'tradition' has been changing for a while.
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Yet the 442s and 458s had 4 digit numbers, so it wasn't completely ignored.
I didn't think it looked too bad on those
Matt Taylor
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Internally we only use the last four digits, I was working 444023 the other and had to report a door fault but control and fleet only needed to know that I was working 4023.
Eagle
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And 158s and 159s, although being as the 158s are numbered 701 up then there's no chance of confusion with the 458s (which are numbered 001 up).
Eagle
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You'll have to wait until one of them speaks up to confirm, but I believe SWT staff internally do use four-digit numbers to refer to DMUs as well as EMUs (albeit informally).
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0001-0042 = 450001-450042
0071-0127 = 450071-450127
0543-0570 = 450543-450570
4001-4045 = 444001-444045
5701-5742 = 455701-455742
5750 = 455750
5847-5874 = 455847-455874
5901-5920 = 455901-455920
6001-6024 = 456001-456024 (Yet to join fleet)
8001-8030 = 458001-458030 (To become 8501-8530)
8501-8530 = 458501-458530 (To be converted from 8001-8030)
8531-8536 = 458531-458536 (ex-Class 460)
8880-8890 = 158880-158890
9001-9022 = 159001-159022
9101-9108 = 159101-159108
0071-0127 = 450071-450127
0543-0570 = 450543-450570
4001-4045 = 444001-444045
5701-5742 = 455701-455742
5750 = 455750
5847-5874 = 455847-455874
5901-5920 = 455901-455920
6001-6024 = 456001-456024 (Yet to join fleet)
8001-8030 = 458001-458030 (To become 8501-8530)
8501-8530 = 458501-458530 (To be converted from 8001-8030)
8531-8536 = 458531-458536 (ex-Class 460)
8880-8890 = 158880-158890
9001-9022 = 159001-159022
9101-9108 = 159101-159108
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Unit is now powered up , rumour is it will make it's first run on Thursday.
I saw it sat outside the sheds at Wimbledon today. It looked OK from what I saw, but then again all that I saw was the front of the train out of a dirty window on a crowded tube trains passing at about 30mph. Any ideas what it was doing out and about?
It woulkd be possible to build 3rd rail infrastructure that could take trains running over 100mph regularly without ripping the shoes off, but anything running at lower speeds, traversing junctions, stopping at intermediate stations etc would be at a much higher risk of "gapping".
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Geared for 125mph, not rated for it. This has been done to death. Top speed was only 100mph... This was done for 'reasons of comfort' and because acceleration wasn't judged to be so important on GX.
Doesn't matter now anyway as 458/5 is geared and rated for 75mph.
tsr
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I should point out that I recalled saying that in my original post - however it looks like my wording was in fact incorrect. I apologise for this confusion! It looks like I did mean "rated".
The speed limit for 3rd rail lines may be 100mph, but the applicable trains have been marginally over that on "record runs" in the past.
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The 458/0 has a sign in the cab saying the maximum speed is 90mph anyway so all the talk of 100 or 125 is irrelevant.
Where are the sources for the facts that 458/0s are geared for 125 and the 458/5s have been re-geared for 75, just curious like.
Where are the sources for the facts that 458/0s are geared for 125 and the 458/5s have been re-geared for 75, just curious like.
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It was only the 460s that were 'geared' for 125 but that wasn't their top speed, which remained 100 as mentioned before in a similar discussion on page 2 of this thread, which you were in as well... Not relevant to 458s though.
The fairly detailed explanation for the post conversion 458/5s being re-geared to 75 was in the Modern Railways article about the project, written by Ian Walmsley of Porterbrook.
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