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Borders Railway - Now Open

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Draft timetable at this link.
Interesting point in that document - "the franchisee will have an obligation to remove timetabled services to allow a Charter train to operate on the Borders rail link."

Has this sort of requirement been seen elsewhere? I realise that the West Highland and Far North lines have charter visits, but they are less heavily used than this plan, and have more inherent flexibility in terms of passing loops.
 
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Morning layovers at Edinburgh are a bit long - you'd be better off jumping off for a sooner train to Haymarket!

Good in principle to South Gyle - perhaps to Edinburgh Gateway/Gogar in future? Although Edinburgh Park might also be useful.
 

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Morning layovers at Edinburgh are a bit long - you'd be better off jumping off for a sooner train to Haymarket!

Good in principle to South Gyle - perhaps to Edinburgh Gateway/Gogar in future? Although Edinburgh Park might also be useful.

For me this is the biggest issue as it is a far less appealing travel option without real through services to Haymarket and Edinburgh Park or South Gyle.
 

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Interesting - thanks for posting that draft T/T. I wonder if the 3 letter codes for the new stations have been decided?

How about:

Tweedbank - TWB or TWK
Galashiels - GAL*
*I was intrigued to discover that a code for "Galashiels via Berwick on Tweed' already exists (bus connection of course). Will it be kept for the new direct service?
Stow - STX
A problem here. As far as I can see, all the possibilities with the letters in the station name in the right order have been used up elsewhere.
Gorebridge - GBE or GBG
Newtongrange - NTG
Eskbank - ESB
Shawfair - SIR

Anyone know the official codes yet?
 

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Draft timetable at this link.
Good to see that a late train leaving Edinburgh at 23:54/55 is proposed on Fridays & Saturdays. There is a major problem in England with last trains leaving major centres - eg Manchester & Leeds - far too early.
 

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Seems like a fairly good service, but I'm surprised that all the trains are going all the way. I guess that the busiest stations will be those either side of the City Bypass (Shawfair and Eskbank) along with the established Park & Ride station at Newcraighall, making it sensible to run some trains which only go as far as Eskbank. This would also mean that if in future electrification were extended from Newcraighall to Eskbank, then electric trains could be used for about 50% of trains on the line without major timetable changes then.

In particular, I think it'd be nice if the 05:18 from Edinburgh-Dunblane could start from Eskbank about 4:55. This would connect with the first train of the day to Aberdeen (05:30), Kings Cross (05:40) and Queen Street (05:55). I'm lucky enough to live somewhere that I can leave the house just before 5am and use public transport to get to Waverley in time for my train at 05:40 - and its this that tips the balance financially between rail/air. This would extend this to more people.
 
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I wonder if the 3 letter codes for the new stations have been decided?

Anyone know the official codes yet?

This is what I've seen:

Tweedbank - TWB
Galashiels - GAL
Stow - SOI
Gorebridge - GBG
Newtongrange - NEG
Eskbank - EKB
Shawfair - SFI
 

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Seems like a fairly good service, but I'm surprised that all the trains are going all the way. I guess that the busiest stations will be those either side of the City Bypass (Shawfair and Eskbank) along with the established Park & Ride station at Newcraighall, making it sensible to run some trains which only go as far as Eskbank. This would also mean that if in future electrification were extended from Newcraighall to Eskbank, then electric trains could be used for about 50% of trains on the line without major timetable changes then.

In particular, I think it'd be nice if the 05:18 from Edinburgh-Dunblane could start from Eskbank about 4:55. This would connect with the first train of the day to Aberdeen (05:30), Kings Cross (05:40) and Queen Street (05:55). I'm lucky enough to live somewhere that I can leave the house just before 5am and use public transport to get to Waverley in time for my train at 05:40 - and its this that tips the balance financially between rail/air. This would extend this to more people.

There was talk of a half hourly service to and from Gorebridge and an hourly fast to/from Tweedbank but I don't the infrastructure being built would support that. Not sure it would get more passengers to/from the borders either.

It will be interesting to see how this line performs in terms of usage once it re-opens.
 

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Why do some services not stop at Stow? Any reasoning for this?
Because it is a very small place, and it doesn't serve much intermediate population not covered by Tweedbank. It allows you to save 1-2 minutes by not stopping there.
 

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I was surprised the Stow service was so generous. And indeed that they bowed to the local pressure and built the station; I hope they are so delighted with their hard fought station when they realise it'll lead to housebuilding!!!
 

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I was surprised the Stow service was so generous. And indeed that they bowed to the local pressure and built the station; I hope they are so delighted with their hard fought station when they realise it'll lead to housebuilding!!!

Indeed, and if they don't build more shops in the village then the ones that are they will be stowed out.
 

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Indeed, and if they don't build more shops in the village then the ones that are they will be stowed out.
:lol::lol::lol:

And those who are rich enough to afford one of the new houses along the line will be able to afford a Shawfaired limousine and won't be needing the train anyway. <(
 

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Because it is a very small place, and it doesn't serve much intermediate population not covered by Tweedbank. It allows you to save 1-2 minutes by not stopping there.

Was it originally the case that Stow station was not included for re-opening in the Private Bill from the Waverley Rail Partnership and the lead promotor, Scottish Borders Council.
 

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That is correct. There's an interview with Bill Jaimieston who led the campaign for a station in Stow in the second episode of The Borders Railway - from start to finish and there is a reference in http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/s/stow/index.shtml

Initially there were no plans for a station at Stow, and it was not included in the private Bill from the Waverley Rail Partnership and its lead promoter Scottish Borders Council. After a vigorous campaign from the Stow Station Supporters Group a station was eventually approved.
 
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Was it originally the case that Stow station was not included for re-opening in the Private Bill from the Waverley Rail Partnership and the lead promotor, Scottish Borders Council.

Is this a question, or a statement of fact? It's quite detailed if it's the former.
 

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It was a question that was answered by the posting of Pax Vobiscum
I see, thanks. It's just that as you quoted me it seemed to be addressed to me, and it was written very strongly, suggesting you already knew the answer. (I didn't.)
 

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The new bridge at Hardengreen to be put in place in a fortnight. Quite exciting really.

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.c...ail-link-roundabout-shut-for-bridge-1-3285342
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The new bridge at Hardengreen to be put in place in a fortnight. Quite exciting really.

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.c...ail-link-roundabout-shut-for-bridge-1-3285342

http://www.bordersrailway.co.uk/new...s-for-installation-of-longest-new-bridge.aspx



The Borders Railway project is preparing for one of its most significant construction milestones to date as the longest bridge to be built from scratch is installed at Hardengreen roundabout near Eskbank, just south of the Edinburgh Bypass.

Work to the two-span bridge, which will span 71.5 metres, will be carried out across two weekends in February; the 14th – 17th and 28th – 3rd March 2014. This will require the closure of Hardengreen roundabout, the A7 and local roads from 10pm each Friday to 6am each Monday for the specialist engineering task to be carried out.

The installation will see a 1200 tonne crane used to hoist the bridge’s four beams into place, each weighing 107 tonnes; the equivalent to around 55 cars. A 30-strong construction team will work around the clock during the road closures to install the bridge beams and create the new bridge deck.

Throughout the works over the two weekends, Hardengreen Roundabout will be closed and local diversions in place:

Motorists coming to and from the Edinburgh City By-Pass, A720 are advised to use the A68 instead of the A7
HGVs travelling north and south should use the A68 rather than the A7
Midlothian motorists travelling north on the A7 should follow diversion signs for B704 along Cockpen Road
Motorists travelling towards Edinburgh from Newtongrange will be diverted along the B6482
Motorists using the B6392 (Dalhousie Rd) and B703 ( Newbattle Rd) are asked to follow the local diversion via A6094 (Eskbank Road) or B6392 (Melville Rd)
Only local access will be permitted on A7, South of Hardengreen -Roundabout to Dalhousie Mains cottages and local businesses.

Parking restrictions will also be in place for the duration of the weekend closures to allow for the moving of materials on the A6094 across Bonnyrigg Road, Eskbank Road and Lothian Street and along the B704 across Dundas Street and Cockpen Road.

The preparation works at Hardengreen Roundabout started in September 2013 saw the project’s main contractors, BAM, carry out extensive piling works and construction of bridge abutments

Hugh Wark, project director, Network Rail, said: “The installation of this new bridge structure is a major construction milestone for the team. Not only will it transform the visual impact of the landscape and connect the railway from north to south but it is the longest bridge to be built from scratch along the new route.

“We have managed to keep the roundabout open while we construct the bridge supports, however the installation of the bridge deck is a major undertaking which will require two weekend closures.

“During the first weekend we’ll be craning in the concrete bridge deck. During the second weekend we’ll be completing the installation.

“We apologise for the inconvenience while we carry out these works but we are trying to keep disruption to an absolute minimum.”

As a result of the road closures around the perimeter of the works and in the interest of health and safety, members of the public will not be able to watch the works but are encouraged to keep up to date with progress via the project’s Twitter feed (@BordersRailway).

The planned works are weather dependent. Please ensure you check the Borders Railway website and Twitter page for up to date details: www.bordersrailway.co.uk / @BordersRailway
 

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I'm guessing they'll use 158s and 156s on the runs to Tweedbank and 156s and 170s on the Gorebridge terminators...
 

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I'm guessing they'll use 158s and 156s on the runs to Tweedbank and 156s and 170s on the Gorebridge terminators...

156s are unlikely as they are limited to 75mph and IIRC the route is faster than that. 156s are more useful to be sent down south to help the Pacer scrapping effort.
 

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156s are unlikely as they are limited to 75mph and IIRC the route is faster than that. 156s are more useful to be sent down south to help the Pacer scrapping effort.

Off topic, but yay! First reply!:D

In that case, they will probably use 158s and 170s on both of the routes. So I'm guessing fewer 170s on the Dunblane and Croy lines.
 

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Off topic, but yay! First reply!:D

In that case, they will probably use 158s and 170s on both of the routes. So I'm guessing fewer 170s on the Dunblane and Croy lines.

The route is going to use a lot of the DMUs cascaded off the E&G by EGIP so neither route is going to suffer, really.
 

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The route is going to use a lot of the DMUs cascaded off the E&G by EGIP so neither route is going to suffer, really.

Doesn't it open before EGIP electrification? I suspect things will be tight for a few years (more loco hauled fife circle trains perhaps) then once EGIP frees up stock it will be a lot better.
 

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Doesn't it open before EGIP electrification? I suspect things will be tight for a few years (more loco hauled fife circle trains perhaps) then once EGIP frees up stock it will be a lot better.

Before main EGIP electrification but after Cumbernauld and Whifflet. I would imagine the stock freed up by those 2 will be similar to that needed for Borders Rail.
 

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Before main EGIP electrification but after Cumbernauld and Whifflet. I would imagine the stock freed up by those 2 will be similar to that needed for Borders Rail.

I thought those were mostly going to be used to strengthen other already existing services though? And they'll only mostly be freeing up 156s with a number of 158s too.
 
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