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Man Assaulted at Locomotion Shildon.

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Sorry if this has already been posted, I did have a look before posting. If it has then carry on :D .

http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/ne...assaulted_at_Locomotion_s_Mallard_exhibition/

POLICE are appealing for help after a pensioner had a camera pushed into his face as he took photos of iconic steam locomotives on display in County Durham.

Police say the 70-year-old man, from Carlisle, was assaulted as he tried to take a photograph at Locomotion: The National Railway Museum in Shildon during the Great Goodbye exhibition which featured the Mallard and her five remaining sisters.

The man asked a woman, thought to be in her 40s, to move so he that could take the picture and she pushed the man’s camera into his face.


The incident took place at about 10am on Sunday (February 23) and the victim suffered a minor injury above his top lip.

His attacker had shoulder-length, blonde hair and was wearing a cream coloured waist length jacket.

Detective Constable Natalie Winter said: “An initial search of the area was made, but no arrest has so far been made.

"Obviously, there were huge numbers of people at the event and if anyone saw this incident we would ask them to contact us.”

Anyone with information should contact Shildon police on 101 or Crimestoppers on 0800-555111.

Disgusting behavior on the part of the woman if you ask me.
 
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On the face of it, yes. But we have only one side of the story.
Quite true. For example, I popped down to Shildon last week and the verbal aggression shown by some people should you accidentally stray into their shot was surprising. (Well, it surprised me.)
 

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In more than one instance, people have tried to use my wife's head or shoulders as a tripod for their all important 'massive cameras', if this chap had done the same I can understand her reaction.

Or she could be the sort who stands in the middle of the way, talking on her mobile phone, oblivious to everyone else.
 

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Quite true. For example, I popped down to Shildon last week and the verbal aggression shown by some people should you accidentally stray into their shot was surprising. (Well, it surprised me.)

Well, that's Shildon for you (where's Shildon?).

PS: I did look it up on a map. 'twas on page 42.
 

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Having been sworn at in the course of my duties by camera wielding idiots again I would agree both sides of the story are necessary!
 

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I was there on Friday and only saw decent behaviour by everyone.

It only takes a few idiots to escalate stuff like this, and just because someone is a pensioner does not immedately excuse them from being the antagoist.

No more than a young person in a hood should be labelled an immediate roughian!

I'd suspect 6 of one and 1/2 dozen of the other.

JW
 

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Disgusting behavior on the part of the woman if you ask me.
Possibly, but I'd want a full account before making judgement. As it is, there are many unanswered questions and impossible to say either way (see Tim R-T-C's post!)
 

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Was there on Saturday and this sporty doesn’t surprise me – some of the behaviours displayed by a vocal minority of photographers were appalling, pushing and shoving, shouting at people to move, almost threatening them when they didn’t etc! I understand it is frustrating having people in your picture but it is a popular, free, event that normal people want to visit. If you want a people free zone book the bloody photographers evening event!

One bloke even shouted at my little nephew for standing next to one of the engines and spoiling his picture. He told him bluntly to move or else. He was mortified and very upset. I suggested, using industrial language, that he alter his attitude really rather quickly!
 

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Indeed.

It's very possible that it was more a case of

The perpetrator, a man in his 70s, demanded a woman, thought to be in her 40s, to move so he that could take the picture and, when she didn't, he thrust his camera toward her, but in an act of self-defence, the victim instinctively resisted, and the camera was pushed back into the perpetrator's face, causing an injury of his own making.

But we may never know, unless reliable witnesses come forward.
 

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Was there on Saturday and this sporty doesn’t surprise me – some of the behaviours displayed by a vocal minority of photographers were appalling, pushing and shoving, shouting at people to move, almost threatening them when they didn’t etc! I understand it is frustrating having people in your picture but it is a popular, free, event that normal people want to visit. If you want a people free zone book the bloody photographers evening event!

One bloke even shouted at my little nephew for standing next to one of the engines and spoiling his picture. He told him bluntly to move or else. He was mortified and very upset. I suggested, using industrial language, that he alter his attitude really rather quickly!

Good on you mate:D some people are extremely aggressive in the pursuit of a photo. They need a telling
 

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Was there on Saturday and this sporty doesn’t surprise me – some of the behaviours displayed by a vocal minority of photographers were appalling, pushing and shoving, shouting at people to move, almost threatening them when they didn’t etc! I understand it is frustrating having people in your picture but it is a popular, free, event that normal people want to visit. If you want a people free zone book the bloody photographers evening event!

One bloke even shouted at my little nephew for standing next to one of the engines and spoiling his picture. He told him bluntly to move or else. He was mortified and very upset. I suggested, using industrial language, that he alter his attitude really rather quickly!

Not overly surprised! When I was at Railfest in York the other year, myself and a few others were having a bit of a nosey at the Super Voyager, as naturally standing next to it at track level is not common - we also got shouted at by some photters who were getting more and more annoyed we were stood in front of it :(
 

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Totally agree re the behaviour of some 'photographers' I had a word with some stinking of urine creature at a preserved line last year who was shouting at small kids to get out of shot. I suggested that his pictures could be improved somewhat by replacing his 4mp ancient early digital camera rather than shouting at kids. To cap it all the cheap idiot hadn't even bought a ticket! Mind you compared to the stone throwing I witnessed at a Polish event once by photographers it could be worse.
 

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Is it bad that once they shouted at me at the great gathering in York i made it my mission to 'ruin' their photos.... Maybe if they want a perfect picture they could pay for one of the photography sessions or not show up on a Sunday...

Note i only did it after i was shouted at by the same person about 3 times....
 

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Is it bad that once they shouted at me at the great gathering in York i made it my mission to 'ruin' their photos.... Maybe if they want a perfect picture they could pay for one of the photography sessions or not show up on a Sunday...

Note i only did it after i was shouted at by the same person about 3 times....

Hehe :) It's very tempting when people can be so obnoxious.

I've found that I enjoy these busy events a lot more now that I've given up trying to get photos - as others have said above, there's an unpleasant minority of photographers that make the whole experience rather unpleasant, so I now prefer just to soak up the atmosphere at galas and suchlike with the general public/non-photting enthusiasts.

As such, I'd agree with those who have said we're only hearing one side of the story.
 

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You could'nt get any decent photos of the locos at Shildon anyway..... wether there was people in front of the locos or not!

Mostly True.

However, being 6ft 5 armed with a monopod and remote shutter... I had the camera held up about 9ft in the air.

Worked a treat ;)

I'm a photter but love having people in shots - it's atmospheric and realistic, not ruddy clinical!

That and I hate rude people.

JW
 

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Nothing wrong with some nice atmosphere...

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I was there on Friday and only saw decent behaviour by everyone.........JW

Friday's crowd was indeed a decent bunch ;)

It was good to see so many families and what appeared to be non - enthusiasts there. I guess the event was well advertised locally as there was still a big crowd late Friday afternoon. Even some of us southerners ventured up north.

One amusing incident was a Mexican Standoff between some photographers, each waiting for the other to move out of shot. All good natured though, so it is a shame to read of this incident.
 

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I guess the event was well advertised locally as there was still a big crowd late Friday afternoon.
Yes, it was even featured with a live OB on Look North (BBC regional news) on the Weds or Thurs evening.
 

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I am surprised and at the same time not that some people have a problem with having people in a photograph. Sometimes having people in there can make the photograph. I guess it depends on if you are trying to capture a moment in time or a front three quarters view of a train or locomotive. When I was younger I just wanted the locomotive, now I think I would try and capture the moment in time. There is no right or wrong.
 

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Best one, my uncle took his Grandson (3 at the time) to see a steamer at Hellifield. The little lad was stood next to a guy filming and bless him, said 'Come on Henry, keep going'.

The guy wasn't impressed and gave him a stern look, but I thought it was brilliant.
 

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Forgive me if this doesn't actually sound like an assault, "pushed back into his face" sounds sore, but I wouldn't exactly consider it a criminal act.

Also, we've a 70 year old male victim and a female perpetrator believed to be in her 40s. This sounds unlikely, given the context, and I'm surprised that the police have appealed to the Echo for witnesses. I'm sure that had this assault been as bad as it's made out to be, there would be enough to send a report to the Crown Office.

Rather, it sounds like a case of sour grapes by a rather sad individual who hasn't got their own way, and has gone to the police to rectify this.
 

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Forgive me if this doesn't actually sound like an assault, "pushed back into his face" sounds sore, but I wouldn't exactly consider it a criminal act.
Although minor, it probably would meet the criteria for common assault if done as deliberate act. A suitable defence would be where the woman thought the camera lens was going to hit her - and pushed it away as an instinctive act of self-defence.
 

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I went to York earlier in the year for the Great Gathering and it was very busy indeed.

However for whatever reason there was a sense of awe, wonder and privilege that we were able to see the 6 all together.

People were being incredibly polite to one another checking before they moved so that they didn't inadvertently spoil someones shot and when having a photo taken in front of one of the 6 getting the shot as quickly as possible so as not to inconvenience other people.

It really was a pleasure to be there.
 

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I am surprised and at the same time not that some people have a problem with having people in a photograph. Sometimes having people in there can make the photograph. I guess it depends on if you are trying to capture a moment in time or a front three quarters view of a train or locomotive. When I was younger I just wanted the locomotive, now I think I would try and capture the moment in time. There is no right or wrong.

I can see various sides to this.

If I'm photographing a particular item, then I prefer not to have people obstructing it. Fortunately the things I tend to photograph are off the tourist trail, so generally it doesn't cause me too much difficulty. I don't mind having a photo of an everyday scene, e.g. people waiting on a platform as a train enters, but I positively hate having railway enthusiasts in photos simply because, unfortunately, they simply do not represent either a normal or everyday sight.

When we had the 38 stock running on the Northern Line, some of the behaviour by a small number of individuals was unbelievable. One person demanded I escort them on to the track so they could take a photo. Another thought it was his right to remain in the cab for the entire trip so he could photograph some of the disused stations. Finally there was a squabble when a staff member in a hi-vi accidentally got in someone's shot. Shameful!
 

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The guy wasn't impressed and gave him a stern look, but I thought it was brilliant.

I've actually had a similar one, a few years ago I went out into the sticks to a level crossing to film Union of South Africa, there was one other bloke there with a stills camera and a couple of minutes before the train turned up a people carrier turned up with a bloke, his missus and two small kids. I expected the worst but things worked out rather well, the youngest stayed with his mother further back and the slightly older one was stood with his dad next to me, still expecting the worst but unable to do anything about it as we could hear the train approaching in the distance I couldn't relocate but when the train came into view there was a brief sound of the lad being excited at seeing the train but that was it, no disaster.

Some of the worst offenders are the older lot, who see you in acres of space and come over and have a one sided conversation with you while you are trying to film it meanwhile they are trying to take their shot with a box-brownie... Either that or you get the sound of an empty machine gun firing off which is the unmistakable sound of an SLR in overdrive. I should point out the younger generation do that too but stern words tend to send them marching back into the distance.

We all have to keep one thing in mind though and that is that if we are going to a station to see a steam train then expect cranks, if it is a well known station and is expecting a few steam trains passing in the same day then expect "normals" to appear by the dozen to see it too and bring their kids and the family dog - just like the fun and games I had at York several years ago. If you go there for the shot then that's your prerogative, if you manage a good shot then great if not then go somewhere else next time. Likewise if you happen to be stood alone in the middle of nowhere and someone comes over and starts yapping away whilst you are trying to film, then fair enough you can tell them to shut up or where to go or maybe even just move away yourself.

Another small thought to bear in mind is that we can not gerneralise who does what, and who's worst behaved and with what type of traction but the majority of us are considerate, when we are setting up we all ask who's doing what so we know that we won't be getting in anyone's way, it's the bad eggs that spoil it and it's probably the bad eggs that have the issues with the public.

* Should mention that despite the huge crowds at York I still got plenty of good footage, patience pays off.

Phil 8-)
 

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A couple of years ago a was approaching Bristol Temple Meads platform 5 and there was a kettle just leaving from 3. The end of 5 had a large amount of photographers on it and unfortunately my arrival was just at the wrong time for them and I blocked out the departure. I was astonished when leaving my cab to be confronted by two of the photographers who proceeded to shout abusive stuff at me for "deliberately blocking their shots" Needless to say I didn't take kindly to that!
Compare that to Wednesday last week. I had arrived at Cardiff and was waiting to shunt out of the west end of the station I could see one of the silver 60s approaching and 3 or 4 guys waiting to photograph it. One of them came up to me and politely asked if I would allow them to take the pictures before moving off. Absolutely no problem with that at all
Attitude is key
 
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