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Let the classic RailUK fifty page politics war commence. :D

Personally, contrary to that Daily Express headline, I'm not sure so sure Farage 'bashed' Nick Clegg. I think Farage was the better man, but not by that big a margin.

Nor do I think the debate would've changed your view, at best, it would have reaffirmed your standing.

Did anyone see the Labour MP on Sky News right after the debate ended? I couldn't stop laughing, what a joke.

In terms of the EU itself, at present I think I would vote to leave but I'm not dead certain. I'm willing to be persuaded either way. Bring on the next debate.
 

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Because of course LBC are not biased in any shape or form...

No, why should they be, they're financed by advertising whereas the BBC doesn't have to take audience figures into account.

LBC has to make programmes that people listen to whereas the BBC can churn out anything whatsoever.

I have never ever heard LBC being described as biased, the BBC is simply legendary for it and a lot of the criticism has come from ex employees.
 

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Disgruntled former employees are always guaranteed to be objective as well, aren't they? ;)

The Express is well known for being completely objective when it comes to Europe isn't it? ;)

And the fact that LBC relies on advertising revenue means that they won't ever be influenced by a big advertiser and a threat to withdraw their custom, doesn't it? ;)

It's precisely the way that the BBC is funded and governed that means it is more likely to be impartial than any commerical, privately owned company.
 

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Disgruntled former employees are always guaranteed to be objective as well, aren't they? ;)

The Express is well known for being completely objective when it comes to Europe isn't it? ;)

And the fact that LBC relies on advertising revenue means that they won't ever be influenced by a big advertiser and a threat to withdraw their custom, doesn't it? ;)

It's precisely the way that the BBC is funded and governed that means it is more likely to be impartial than any commerical, privately owned company.

BBC - impartial !!! funniest thing I've seen on here for ages.
 

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It's more impartial than say, most other news outlets mate. ;)

Can't stand Farage. I noticed Clegg's argument was far more optimistic than the constant pessimism from Farage.

Yeah, I still refuse to vote UKIP.


A contented Liberal - a somewhat rare species.
 

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it is more likely to be impartial than any commerical, privately owned company.

BBC - impartial !!! funniest thing I've seen on here for ages.

Read what I said again!

True impartiality is very difficult to achieve in reality, as the opinions and viewpoints of the individauls involved int he production of news are bound to be reflected somwehere along the line.

The point is that the BBC is less likely to be affected by corporate advertisers expressing their unhappiness with the output, or by a private owner imposing a particular editorial line on ideological grounds.

Naturally, those who have particular viewpoint will be mor einclined to belive that that viewpoint is misrepresented or underrepresented. I think that the BBC is biased against Plaid Cymru, for example, as from my perspective there is far more coverage of what Conservative politicians say and do than is merited by their representation and support in Wales.

I am also firmly of the belief that the BBC in Wales is biased towards Cardiff.

Conservative members probably feel the opposite, as do people who live in Caediff. It's all about perspective, really.
 

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... It's all about perspective, really.
"Impartial" often means "Agrees with me":roll: If people right across the political spectrum can accuse the BBC of being biased, they are probably getting things about right.
What strikes me more is the number of times I can catch them out in inaccuracy in areas where I have specialist knowledge. If this is when describing an area of government policy, it is difficult to say whether it is bias or simply not getting facts right. I suspect it is the latter, but often the effect is to reinforce public fears, which has the effect of the former.
 

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"Impartial" often means "Agrees with me":roll: If people right across the political spectrum can accuse the BBC of being biased, they are probably getting things about right.

Exactly, and well put!

What strikes me more is the number of times I can catch them out in inaccuracy in areas where I have specialist knowledge. If this is when describing an area of government policy, it is difficult to say whether it is bias or simply not getting facts right. I suspect it is the latter, but often the effect is to reinforce public fears, which has the effect of the former.

Again, I agree. I watch my local BBC News programmes regularly, and they get facts wrong on a regular basis to my knowledge.

In my opinion, though, it's not just the BBC. All news services in all media have become more prone to errors. I'm not sure why this is. Is it down to general trends of dumbing down in society? Is it a different mindset in modern journalism, which is probably under greater commercial pressures than at any other time?

I honestly don't know, but I do think that laxness in checking facts contributes to the perception of bias.
 

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No, why should they be, they're financed by advertising whereas the BBC doesn't have to take audience figures into account

Are you serious? This has to be the stupidest thing I've ever read. :roll: And the Express? Really? That paper lives in the 1930s - politically as well as socially.

Fox News in America is funded by advertising, which is exactly what gives them the freedom to be completely biased.

In terms of the debate itself, I thought Clegg had the better arguments but Farage had the better rhetoric... just. It was fun to see him get all flustered when he got called out on his ridiculous immigration claims, though.

Oh, and to hear him say the EU has blood on its hands qua the Ukraine at the end was odd. At least we know where johnuk123 was getting his views from in the other thread though.
 
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But it would presumably be ok with you if it was an ex-UKIP minister (if UKIP ever get to power, which I doubt they will)?

The definition of impartial for you seems to be anything as long as it agrees with you.
 

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/...bias-after-hiring-former-Labour-minister.html



I think appointing an ex-labour cabinet minister to one of the top jobs is all the proof you need.
The BBC is a tool of the hostile elite.

It is actively promoting the ongoing race replacement (genocide) of the British peoples.

They are trying to kill us.

The vermin running it should be strung up.

I do wonder whether newspapers should even have comment sections...it makes readers of the Telegraph look like paranoid swivel-eyed loons.
 

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GatwickDepress said:
I do wonder whether newspapers should even have comment sections...it makes readers of the Telegraph look like paranoid swivel-eyed loons.
To be fair comments sections bring out the worst of humanity in general. Give a man a mask and he will show you himself. It makes me glad that we don't live in a direct democracy, despite the failings of our current representational democracy!
 

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It's more impartial than say, most other news outlets mate. ;)

Can't stand Farage. I noticed Clegg's argument was far more optimistic than the constant pessimism from Farage.

Yeah, I still refuse to vote UKIP.

Depends how you quantify 'impartial'. What you have to remember is every media outlet is 'impartial' subject to the degree of personal impartiality it corresponds with, eg obviously the political coverage from the BBC meets with your expectation of impartiality, whilst for others, it doesn't.
 

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Depends how you quantify 'impartial'. What you have to remember is every media outlet is 'impartial' subject to the degree of personal impartiality it corresponds with, eg obviously the political coverage from the BBC meets with your expectation of impartiality, whilst for others, it doesn't.

There is an objective definition (a few, in fact, which is what makes it contentious). It's not a subjective matter.
 

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"Impartial" often means "Agrees with me":roll: If people right across the political spectrum can accuse the BBC of being biased, they are probably getting things about right.

Really, when has this happened? For me, they ignore the BBC when it disagrees with their own political viewpoint, just as I do because I don't find it impartial, so therefore, it doesn't agree with me. :lol:

'Accusing' the BBC? Don't make me laugh. They ignore anything they don't want to hear, accusatory or not.
 

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Quite a win for Farage this evening. 68% according to YouGov.

And the left try to compensate by shutting the debate down using the 'white working class' remark as a pretext for the race card.

Then the usual subversion from Labour - the cost of living crisis.

This evening has had a serious impact on how I intend to align my vote. Not necessarily in the Euro election but certainly in the future....
 

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Clegg was absolutely murdered by Farage, Clegg must have wished he'd never suggested these 2 debates because it's backfired badly for the Liberals.
 

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It is times like this that I think to myself that we as a Country would be in a far better position if Politicians from all parties had ploughed as much energy into helping British businesses set up or export to the European market and trying to be a leader in Europe as they have spent debating in/out/is it good for us etc, since 1973.

We could have been the ones having major influence on the direction of Europe and laws from Europe etc instead of being the ones laughed at for being sceptical of a continent we are part of.
 

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I was under the impression we were an archipelago !

Continents are (usually) defined by continental shelves. Like it or not, we're part of Europe proper. Also, the only reason Clegg was "murdered" by Farage is because the only people listening are rabid UKIP supporters and a lot of washy Lib Dems. The polls still place in over out, if not by very much.

I have to say, I don't think I heard very many facts at all from Farage's side. The majority was sophistry and rhetoric. The true test on whether Europe is good for our economy is whether business supports it, and they're very much in favour of staying in.
 
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