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RMT, Aslef and TSSA have launched a judicial review against the East Coast refranshising, announcement next week. If the review is granted this would delay the award from September until after the next election.

In other news the Dft franchising team has still only managed to fill 12 of 28 vacancies since last Autumn, its believed the salary on offer is too low to attract qualified applicants.
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Looks like a midnight embargo on the challenge has passed.

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But it would seem that part of the ITT is for potential operators to put forward plans for more London services - via York.


Bidding has begun for the right to run trains on Harrogate’s rail line - a contract which could see faster and more frequent services as well as a new link to London.

The Department for Transport (DfT) has issued an invitation to tender (ITT) for the East Coast rail franchise which runs from Harrogate to York and Leeds.

And, in a surprise move which has prompted concern from campaigners, bidders are being asked to consider a new route from Harrogate to London - via York.

“It’s an optional extra - but it won’t be feasible in practical terms,” said Brian Dunsby, chief executive of the Harrogate chamber of trade, calling for more trains on the Leeds line instead.

“There is no benefit to Harrogate because of all the problems between here and there.”

The Harrogate line has two operators - Network Rail and East Coast, and the ITT now asks bidders to set out plans on how they will build on the East Coast line.

Rail minister Stephen Hammond said: “Franchising has been a force for good for our railways, delivering record growth to an industry that was once in decline. The time is now right for us to find a long-term partner, who can use their private sector expertise and knowledge to build on the significant investment planned for the route.”

Three rail companies are competing; Inter City Railways Ltd, Eurostar International, and First Group.

Campaigners, forming the Harrogate Line Supporters Group, have met with each to emphasise the importance of the route.

“Harrogate is predominantly a visitor based economy,” said Mr Dunsby, who lobbied for a twice-daily London link which was introduced in 2011 and now says a twice-hourly link should be considered. “The Harrogate line is absolutely vital for our whole visitor economy - and particularly for the conference and exhibition trade.”

Harrogate needs and deserves more train services to London, he said, but they should go via Leeds not York.

“That line is still sadly lacking,” he said. “It’s manually controlled, single track in places, and not electrified.

“It was a surprise that it was even put in. It would be very much better for Harrogate if we put more emphasis on the Leeds line, which has already been resignalled, where it is twin tracked, and it’s a shorter journey.”

The contract winner will be announched in November and the new franchise would start in March 2015.

Wetherby News, 2014. Available from: http://www.wetherbynews.co.uk/news/transport/bidding-begins-for-harrogate-rail-franchise-1-6543558 [Accessed 6th April 2014]
 

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But it would seem that part of the ITT is for potential operators to put forward plans for more London services - via York.




Wetherby News, 2014. Available from: http://www.wetherbynews.co.uk/news/transport/bidding-begins-for-harrogate-rail-franchise-1-6543558 [Accessed 6th April 2014]

Curious. Is there really likely to be all that much of a time difference via York than Leeds? And I'm not entirely sure what it means by 'The Harrogate line has two operators.' - perhaps they meant Northern?
 

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Curious. Is there really likely to be all that much of a time difference via York than Leeds? And I'm not entirely sure what it means by 'The Harrogate line has two operators.' - perhaps they meant Northern?


I don't really know.

But the article raises worries based on the single line working in parts, so that could potentially have an effect.
 

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Well the part single line might be an issue, but otherwise I don't see an issue journey time likely to be similar, could maybe serve Knaresborough as well, and potentially combine a 5 car IEP at York with another from such as Scarborough or Middlesbrough etc.
 

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Does anyone have any figures on how many passengers actually use the through KGX to Harrogate services, further than just an extra Leeds train - are they any better used than the Skipton extension?
 

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I like how the article makes reference to the York-Harrogate line being non-electrified. Both the Leeds-Harrogate line and the line to York are non electrified.

Besides, with the reversal required at Leeds, wouldn't it be slower via Leeds?
 

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RMT, Aslef and TSSA have launched a judicial review against the East Coast refranshising, announcement next week. If the review is granted this would delay the award from September until after the next election.

Can't see it being accepted, to be honest. Hasn't this been tried before?
 

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I would have thought more Harrogate - York trains would be welcome? Leeds is a big market and all but there's clearly room for more trains between Knaresbrough and York? Is there not a passing loop there that's not actually used to pass trains?
 

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It's 53 pages long so I can't copy the text in unfortunately.

Well I just don't think you're trying hard enough :lol:;)

SUMMARY

This paper describes initial proposals for a Swiss style of timetable for the East Coast Main Line, that is, one which is integrated and regular and based on the concepts that underpin the Taktfahrplan. The time is ripe: various formal processes are under way, and there are hints that the ideas may at last have some traction.

Chapter 2 sets the proposals in the current context: the Government plan to refranchise the line, and the application to the Office of Rail Regulation for rights to operate an open-access service between Edinburgh and London. Section 2.1 outlines the first and offers a critique of the timetable aspects of the Department for Transport's Invitation to Tender, while section 2.2 describes the application and reports on the responses of other industry players.

Both are of great significance, but readers may find themselves exploring unfamiliar territory rich in arcane and perhaps tedious detail. If that leads to an (understandable) inclination to skip the chapter then we have a problem, namely that timetabling has become so embedded in a game played between government entities and large corporations in a dense bureaucratic jungle that its profound interactions with railway policy and strategy are no longer properly understood. One purpose of this paper is to expose the implications, to assert the communal interest in the outcomes and thereby to inform and broaden the public discourse.

Chapter 3 sets out the strategic planning background. First the case is made and graphically illustrated for emphasising the public-interest dimension in railway policy [§3.1]. This is followed by the specific arguments in favour of integrated timetabling, particularly in respect of capacity, community-benefit objectives and connectivity [§3.2]. The principles that characterise integrated timetabling practice are outlined next, with an emphasis on the means by which connections are optimised at the key nodes of the network and on the importance of symmetrical timings [§3.3]. The final section [§3.4] questions contemporary assumptions about the freight business and explains the way paths for freight trains will be incorporated in standard hours.

Chapter 4 starts with an analysis of Network Rail's study identifying the most effective use of the capacity of the East Coast Main Line after completion of the planned enhancement of the infrastructure [§4.1]. PTN's proposals are then explained in detail [§4.2]: the technicalities; the scheme for three trains/hour between Edinburgh and London; the relationships between services to form an attractive pattern between Newcastle, York, Leeds, Peterborough and London; regional and local services in Scotland; provision for Retford, Newark and Grantham and for direct services for off-route places; and the structure of the Great Northern network as part of Thameslink. The plans are focussed on 2020 when the two new fleets of trains (the InterCity Express Project and the Thameslink units) are expected to be in full service.

A suite of charts produced by the Viriato timetabling software illustrates the outcome of the many interlocking choices. It is hoped that they will provoke discussion and perhaps influence official decisions.
 

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Couldn't they take it to the Supreme Court? They could overrule any High Court ruling i think. And then on to the EU courts?

No, not only did the judge not get as far as allowing an appeal, he didn't even allow the case to be put to him. His judgement is that the plaintiffs have wasted the Court's time. Good money for the lawyers (including the judge) though. Nice little earner, this JR business.
 
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If Stagecoach/Virgin won it would create an interesting situation in that one would hope that they would then be ruled out of bidding for the West Coast on competition grounds, which could leave the field more open for First to win that line after all!

Not really, can't see how both lines will compete against each other, only thing I can think of is someone from London wanting to go to Scotland
 

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Not really, can't see how both lines will compete against each other, only thing I can think of is someone from London wanting to go to Scotland

You're replying to a point about 'competition' made over 6 months ago, (which is regularly made when new shortlists are published) but is never a real issue, as was discussed on the same opening page of the thread...
 

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Whoever is there, just be glad Serco aren't...

I wouldn't mind Eurostar myself. We don't know much about Keolis yet though. First aren't optimum, but I'd still prefer them to Virgin.
 

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Whoever is there, just be glad Serco aren't...

I wouldn't mind Eurostar myself. We don't know much about Keolis yet though. First aren't optimum, but I'd still prefer them to Virgin.

Keolis already operate quite a few franchises (4). They aren't part of the branding but they are there and have quite a big say. All Govia franchises have Keolis, fTPE has Keolis. They also operate the Nottingham Trams!

I want Eurostar/Keolis to win. I don't know why but I think they would put in a lot of effort. Keolis do seem to try their very best in my experience.
 

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If Stagecoach/Virgin won it would create an interesting situation in that one would hope that they would then be ruled out of bidding for the West Coast on competition grounds, which could leave the field more open for First to win that line after all!
What is this competition people speak of?

It's a red herring because if I wanted to go from Long Buckby to Northampton, there is only one operator.
If I wanted to go from Leicester to Market Harborough, there is only one operator.

Having the same operator heading to/from Scotland won't quash the competition on those lines because there are alternatives.
Plus with Scotland potentially becoming it's own state, Scotland - England trains may not be possible without some sort of border control anyway! :P
 

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What is this competition people speak of?

It's a red herring because if I wanted to go from Long Buckby to Northampton, there is only one operator.
If I wanted to go from Leicester to Market Harborough, there is only one operator.

Having the same operator heading to/from Scotland won't quash the competition on those lines because there are alternatives.
Plus with Scotland potentially becoming it's own state, Scotland - England trains may not be possible without some sort of border control anyway! :P

Which was dicussed way back in January (when the comment was made).
 
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