Northern Line extension

philjo · 28 May 2014

I saw a report in the Evening Standard last night saying that it was proposed that the new stations on the Battersea Northern Line Extension would be placed in Zone 1 as this would enable the developers to market the new properties as being in central London. Kennington station would be in zone1/zone2 boundary.

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cjohnson · 28 May 2014

There's a small document on the public enquiry website about it. Makes sense for Kennington to be 1/2 if the two new stations are zone 1, although who knows how that will end up looking like on the tube map.

Aictos · 28 May 2014

Will Clapham Junction and Vauxhall be moved to Z1 as well as they're quite close to the stations proposed for ythe unneeded move from Z2 to Z1.

cjohnson · 28 May 2014

No - the document proposes that the only existing station to change would be Kennington.

Tibbs · 28 May 2014

HLE 13 said:
Will Clapham Junction and Vauxhall be moved to Z1 as well as they're quite close to the stations proposed for ythe unneeded move from Z2 to Z1.

The outcry if Clapham were moved into Z1 would be huge, I'd imagine. If they did that it would eliminate most routes avoiding Zone 1 that travel through that area. At that point there would be no point using the WLL etc, and Z1 would become even more crowded.

Deerfold · 28 May 2014

Tibbs said:
The outcry if Clapham were moved into Z1 would be huge, I'd imagine. If they did that it would eliminate most routes avoiding Zone 1 that travel through that area. At that point there would be no point using the WLL etc, and Z1 would become even more crowded.

Unless it were moved into Z1&Z2.

HLE 13 said:
Will Clapham Junction and Vauxhall be moved to Z1 as well as they're quite close to the stations proposed for ythe unneeded move from Z2 to Z1.

Given Vauxhall is already Z1 and Z2 that would make fares either unchanged or more expensive.

Aictos · 28 May 2014

Why does TfL feel need to muck around with moving the zones? Surely they're okay as they are?

Class 170101 · 28 May 2014

Seems a bit bizzare to say the least. Here is an even stranger one though. Battersea Sattion will be in Zone 1 yet Battersea Park 250 metres away will be in Zone 2.

Class172 · 28 May 2014

I used to assume that zones were determined by the relative distance from a set point, but it seems it's a far more arbitrary system than I thought.

gottago · 28 May 2014

It'd be interesting to see how they'd mark that on the already crowded in-train tube maps given that the zones go in order along the bottom. Perhaps the Battersea branch would loop back into zone 1.

telstarbox · 29 May 2014

It's possible that the Northern line will be split in two anyway with the Charing Cross line extended to Battersea.

STEVIEBOY1 · 29 May 2014

telstarbox said:
It's possible that the Northern line will be split in two anyway with the Charing Cross line extended to Battersea.

I think that is the idea.

duncanp · 29 May 2014

If they are going to permanently split the current Northern Line, they might as well give each branch a separate name to distinguish the two, and have a new colour for one of the lines on the tube map.

Any suggestions for the name of the new line?

Following the logic used for the Bakerloo Line, it would be called the "BatNet" line, but somehow I don't think that will catch on.

gordonthemoron · 29 May 2014

Flying Pig line, colour Pink?

JamesRowden · 29 May 2014

duncanp said:
If they are going to permanently split the current Northern Line, they might as well give each branch a separate name to distinguish the two, and have a new colour for one of the lines on the tube map.

Any suggestions for the name of the new line?

Following the logic used for the Bakerloo Line, it would be called the "BatNet" line, but somehow I don't think that will catch on.

I think that a possible pair of names would be the 'Charing Cross Line' and the 'Bank Line'. These are the names that people associate with the branches.
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Perhaps the 'Bank Line' could be in Gold on the tube map.

Deerfold · 29 May 2014

JamesRowden said:
I think that a possible pair of names would be the 'Charing Cross Line' and the 'Bank Line'. These are the names that people associate with the branches.
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Perhaps the 'Bank Line' could be in Gold on the tube map.

And Charing Cross a Charcoal colour?

duncanp · 29 May 2014

Perhaps the "West End Line" given the area that it serves.

Alternatively you could name it after a character from history such as the "Churchill Line", or the "Elizabeth Line" after the Queen.

STEVIEBOY1 · 30 May 2014

It seems a very big & expensive project just to add two more stops.

edwin_m · 30 May 2014

Perhaps that should give some pause for thought to those who suggest HS2 stations should be put underground when they don't like the proposed surface option. Remembering that HS2 stations are several times bigger than Tube stations.

anme · 30 May 2014

philjo said:
I saw a report in the Evening Standard last night saying that it was proposed that the new stations on the Battersea Northern Line Extension would be placed in Zone 1 as this would enable the developers to market the new properties as being in central London. Kennington station would be in zone1/zone2 boundary.

That would be a nice little subsidy! But are central London property developers really the most deserving cause?

Tetchytyke · 2 Jun 2014

Boris certainly thinks so, if the Earls Court scandal is anything to go by...

simple simon · 9 Jun 2014

At one time this was known as the Mordon - Edgware Line. When the split comes it wont even be possible to travel between the two without changing.

The question of line colours is complicated because of the need to ensure that people who are colour-blind can tell them apart. Which is a far cry from many decades ago when the subsurface lines were all just green in colour.

Gold might to be near yellow? If so then the confusion would preclude it.

Simon

Nozzacook · 9 Jun 2014

Keep the colour the same just have one line solid black the other one black and white.

joeykins82 · 9 Jun 2014

The convention for non-solid lines on the underground map is clear though: a dotted section represents a limited service and a tramlines style outline refers to a non-tube rail service (DLR/LO)

DJL · 9 Jun 2014

Do lines that are easily differentiated by other means need to have contrasting colours?

The circle line is clearly identifiable by it's shape - even though it's no longer a true circle, certainly you wouldn't confuse it with a north-south line?

Kite159 · 10 Jun 2014

duncanp said:
If they are going to permanently split the current Northern Line, they might as well give each branch a separate name to distinguish the two, and have a new colour for one of the lines on the tube map.

Any suggestions for the name of the new line?

Following the logic used for the Bakerloo Line, it would be called the "BatNet" line, but somehow I don't think that will catch on.

How about the Elizabeth Line?

Beaten to it by duncanp

Tibbs · 11 Jun 2014

Kite159 said:
How about the Elizabeth Line?

Beaten to it by duncanp

The Lizzy and the Vicky, I like it!

Busaholic · 11 Jun 2014

Surely the most contentious part of this proposal is that Morden trains will only run via Bank, so passengers to and from West End will have to change at Kennington. The Charing Cross branch must be three or four times busier than the City branch in evenings and for most of weekend. Run it as a shuttle and why not an interchange at Vauxhall with the Victoria Line and Southwestern Trains to Waterloo? The section from Morden to Stockwell is already packed to bursting in peak hours and mustn't lose any frequency.

Deerfold · 11 Jun 2014

Busaholic said:
Surely the most contentious part of this proposal is that Morden trains will only run via Bank, so passengers to and from West End will have to change at Kennington. The Charing Cross branch must be three or four times busier than the City branch in evenings and for most of weekend. Run it as a shuttle and why not an interchange at Vauxhall with the Victoria Line and Southwestern Trains to Waterloo? The section from Morden to Stockwell is already packed to bursting in peak hours and mustn't lose any frequency.

Morden currently only gets a very limited service via the West End (Charing X)- except when there is disruption there are no trains betwen 0915 and 1530 or (except for a couple of very late ones) after 1915. At other times on weekdays around 1 in 4 trains goes that way. On a weekend the number of trains timetabled to do that is in single figures all day. All the rest of the Charing X trains start/finish at Kennington.

telstarbox · 11 Jun 2014

Plus the changes at Kennington are all cross-platform so there is minimal hassle.

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