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Pendolino Refurbishment/Modernisation

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sprinterguy

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shaun said:
The seats aren't great on the Pendos, but the worst thing about them i have come to realise is their truly awful suspension at speed. More rickety than any other long-distance train I've been on (including MK1s), plus alot of banging from what i assume is the bogies.
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In my experience, the ride quality from SIG designed bogies (in the UK, at least) always seems to be quite "lively": The mark 4s had well documented problems with ride quality when they were new, and despite these issues being solved they still seem to ride "harder" than, say, mark 3s.

Mind you, there seems to be a world of difference in the ride quality of mark 3s: You can get really good ones (The Chiltern refurbishments seem to have "fettled" the bogies quite nicely) to really bad ones that do nothing but wallow and soss about at the slightest undulation, which seems to affect a good number of the HST vehicles on the East Coast, and I would say ride much worse than a Pendolino.
 
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shaun said:
The Pendolino i travelled on in Italy recently was nothing like this at all. Very smooth, much more comfortable and of course it was going at an even higher speed. If they ever do build some more for the WCML or even ECML, they really need to sort this issue out!
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Virgin/Alstom specified SIG bogies/tilt system* rather then the standard Fiat one fitted to most EuroPendolinos. Not sure if this was down to size for UK loading gauge or other reasons.

SIG also did the Mark 4 coach bogie. Not sure if the two designs have anything in common.
 
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I have just heard that the Pretendolino is being retired in November by Virgin Trains.

Where will it go to - scrap heap, other TOC or charter operator?
 
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Masboroughlad said:
I have just heard that the Pretendolino is being retired in November by Virgin Trains.

Where will it go to - scrap heap, other TOC or charter operator?
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Doubt it, quality mark IIIs are unlikely to be scrapped, potential for use with Anglia perhaps. I'm doubtful that they'll be converted for HST use because HSTs days are numbered so it may not be viable.
 
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Masboroughlad said:
I have just heard that the Pretendolino is being retired in November by Virgin Trains.

Where will it go to - scrap heap, other TOC or charter operator?
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May I ask where did you find this information Masboroughlad, I can not seem to find anything it about the Pretendolino being retired.
 
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Why it is being retired? Could it not be deployed elsewhere. At the moment it annoys me to see double 221s running from Edinburgh to London. 400+ miles of running under the wires.
 
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Agreed, but if deployed on a Scotland>Euston Via BHM working there would be a lot of shuffling of the TT on the Northern section of the route as the
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advantage 10 car vommiters have is they tilt and can therefor achieve greater speed in particular north of Carlisle. Where it might come in handy though is on one of the booked 185 diagrams at the weekends which I am aware are mainly for traction knoledge for Scottish Crews but if you removed all but 1 coach of FC and the buffet then it could keep to time and be a major asset to TPE. But im fantasizing.↲
 
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