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Charter Breakdown at York

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A friend went on a special (charter) trip, I presume from Nottingham, to Dundee yesterday. She was due back at 1am today but when I bumped into her at 5am today she had just got home in a minibus from York where the train had broken down yesterday. Any news on this?
 
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Tomnick

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Failed around Milford (fractured air pipe on one of the vehicles, I believe?), then had to be taken back to York as there wasn't then time to get the train through to Derby before possessions were granted on the way. Incidentally, the outward working originated at Spondon, of all places!
 

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I was on this train. We stopped just after 10pm at Milford, after a short while the guard announced that there was a problem with one of the carriages which they were trying to fix and they then spent an hour so trying to fix it.

A member of the tour company then told us that the train had hit something which had damaged the brake pipe on the carriage. He said they could apply some sort of fix but the driver wasn't happy with this and so they were going to shunt out the faulty coach. They eventually completed this around 01:30.
We then set off but going back to York, we all wondered what was happening when a member of the tour company told us that we were going back to York where buses and taxis would be laid on for us to get home.

When we got back to York everyone got off the train, unfortunately the stewards on the train were busy getting people of and so when we got to the station entrance there were just a load off taxi drivers trying to sort things out.

Eventually the train stewards arrived and added a bit of order to the chaotic situation. I managed to get on a coach to Sheffield and arrived back at Sheffield station at about 03:30 having left at 07:56 the previous day.

There were a lot of unhappy people many saying that they would never go on one of these trips again.

I think a lot of the problem was the classic case of lack of communication. people were saying that they must have known that they couldn't get through and should have gone back to York sooner. They must have performed some sort of temporary fix as we reversed down the line at Millford for about a mile to get in the correct position to remove the faulty carriage. Could we have not gone back to York at slow speed ?
 
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I was on this train. We stopped just after 10pm at Milford, after a short while the guard announced that there was a problem with one of the carriages which they were trying to fix and they then spent an hour so trying to fix it.

A member of the tour company then told us that the train had hit something which had damaged the brake pipe on the carriage. He said they could apply some sort of fix but the driver wasn't happy with this and so they were going to shunt out the faulty coach. They eventually completed this around 01:30.
We then set off but going back to York, we all wondered what was happening when a member of the tour company told us that we were going back to York where buses and taxis would be laid on for us to get home.

When we got back to York everyone got off the train, unfortunately the stewards on the train were busy getting people of and so when we got to the station entrance there were just a load off taxi drivers trying to sort things out.

Eventually the train stewards arrived and added a bit of order to the chaotic situation. I managed to get on a coach to Sheffield and arrived back at Sheffield station at about 03:30 having left at 07:56 the previous day.

There were a lot of unhappy people many saying that they would never go on one of these trips again.

I think a lot of the problem was the classic case of lack of communication. people were saying that they must have known that they couldn't get through and should have gone back to York sooner. They must have performed some sort of temporary fix as we reversed down the line at Millford for about a mile to get in the correct position to remove the faulty carriage. Could we have not gone back to York at slow speed ?

I would love to know what the vehicle had hit to damage a brake pipe.
 

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I would love to know what the vehicle had hit to damage a brake pipe

I thought it was a bit odd. Still if it was would they be able to claimi for the cost of the taxis from Network Rail ?
Tour operator was compass, train was West Coast Railways.
 
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I thought it was a bit odd. Still if it was would they be able to claimi for the cost of the taxis from Network Rail ?
Tour operator was compass, train was West Coast Railways.

Sounds to me like simple mechanical failure. If they could prove Network Rail were at fault then they could claim things back. But they should have their own insurance for situations like this. It will have cost them a packet, that's for sure.
 

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Sounded like a complete farce going off the emails that were flying around the gen groups yesterday, including from folks on the tour.

I hope there is a misunderstanding and that to quote part of the email,
"They've uncoupled the wrong carriage, shunted it loose on the screw coupling with passengers reattached carriages "left defective carriage in Milford sidings not realising it had passengers on. "

Coupled with (pardon the pun) the steam ban and fire brigade strikes it's not been particularly good recently for railtours.

Phil 8-)
 

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I was on this train with family. We did not get home until 7am. The volunteer stewards did their best but it was absolute chaos. Compass knew how many passengers needed to get to each pickup point, and West Coast Rail should have known how many buses were needed when it was decided the train had to return to York. We were told to wait in our groups, at the front of the station, outside at 2.am even though it was extremely cold. There was no organisation at all.I only saw two buses and was told the one for Chesterfield was full and had left before we got out of the station. At 5.30am we were told that they thought all the Chesterfield passengers had gone even though there were 18 of us in a group still waiting for transport and at 5.45 were given taxis to get us back to Chesterfield. We were not offered even a drink of water from the train stopping at about 10pm. There was only one seat in the waiting area and it was bitterly cold. It also seemed that some passengers who complained loudly managed to get taxies in record time.
What was really upsetting was that one lady had taken her grandson who was learning disabled. He was very stressed out and ran off back into the station and could not be found for along time. Of course his grandmother was very distressed. I spoke to her and she said she had been promised a taxi, I think she should have had priority treatment but she waited almost as long as we did for transport. I cannot speak highly enough for the Compass volunteers,and especially the two young men who were still on duty when we left. It was a shame that a wonderful trip was ruined,and made worse by bad organisation on the part of West Coast Rail.
 

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Given that various 'issues' seem to beset charter operations with some degree of frequency (as indeed they can with any train of course), do the operators not have some basic level of contingency pre-planning for such an event, for example just establishing who to source transport from efficiently at various points en route, and so on? It often appears to be total chaos when something goes wrong, which gives an unfortunate public perception of these events.
 
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...West Coast Rail should have known how many buses were needed... I cannot speak highly enough for the Compass volunteers... made worse by bad organisation on the part of West Coast Rail.

Compass Staff - indeed. West Coast 'Walla's' - why the surprise ? !
 
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I would love to know what the vehicle had hit to damage a brake pipe.

I was on ATW's Gerald Express once when it hit a dog at speed in the Marches near Leominster - we heard ballast being thrown up.
This produced a leak in the air pipe (not sure if it was on the Class 57 loco or a Mk3 coach).
The train's brakes gradually came on and we finally expired at Ludlow.
A fitter had to come from Gloucester to fix it, and after a couple of hours we got going again - but the train was cancelled at Shrewsbury.
 

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I was on that too.
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I see next weekends Compass train from Nuneaton is now showing DRS locos and coaches off Crewe H.S.
 

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I was on that too.
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I see next weekends Compass train from Nuneaton is now showing DRS locos and coaches off Crewe H.S.

The power and TOC for next week's tour is unrelated to the problems on the past two weekend's trains which have been operated by WCRC, as it has been listed as a DRS operated train for some time.
 
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