theageofthetra
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Hey given that these franchises are predominantly in the Southeast couldn't they brand it along those lines, give it say a red, white & blue colour scheme? Oh hang on...
The new 387s wear a different Southern livery (with only dark green).
I'm trying to work out if you being serious or not with this idea?
The new 387s wear a different Southern livery (with only dark green).
i think there would be demand for an hourly brighton/gatwick to milton keynes fast (fast from East croydon to clapham), and a half hourly East Croydon to Shepherds Bush or Watford stopper (all stns).
These fast points at the london end of WWC would deem the points at the london end of Balham redundant and at least the 'flashing yellow' system could be implemented so that the points can be crossed at 50mph or more.
Yes the crossing over of lines could cause performance risk but at least there is less chance of this than having the 25mph points at balham and like i said they would have uses in other scenarios.
Or it isn't completed in the few photos seen so far.
This has happened before hasn't it? The livery is a mix of painted panels and vinyls, and moving trains around takes priority over finishing the livery. The 387 pictured isn't even the same on both sides.
Nothing to see here...
Apart from the bulleid pacifics on all waterloo Exeter services yes. Especially the proper buffets serving freshley cooked toasted bacon sandwiches like the 4-BIGs used to up to the early '90s. I'm not holding out much hope though.
We already know its a different livery as its got strips under the window.
The new 387s wear a different Southern livery (with only dark green).
Aren't they going onto Thameslink before going on to Southern and other TOCs? If so, then they won't be wasting the paint and will just keep it white and stick the Thameslink logo on the side. It will also make it considerably easier to repaint/rebrand when they move to their full time TOC.
Why would they be painting a Thameslink train into Southern colours, and all 29(?) aren't even going to Southern at the end so it would be a pointless exercise and complete waste of money.
All that will be added is the new Thameslink logo and then bob's your uncle. But no, everyone can read into it way more than they should and expect some hidden strategy.
Why would they be painting a Thameslink train into Southern colours, and all 29(?) aren't even going to Southern at the end so it would be a pointless exercise and complete waste of money.
Because the FCC trains are in First Group colours? (Albeit, may not paint into Southern colours, but there is a case for replacing the FCC colours)
the livery situation just seems odd now though. the interm TSGN livery which is being applied to 319s now seems pointless, if 387s are going to be running around in another interim livery.
Why arnt these 319s being painted into white with green doors and green lines under the windows like this 387 have been?!
And is the 'TSGN' livery confirmed as the livery the 700s are going to wear? (obviously the first one is in this livery currently)..
What? FCC trains are of course going to be in First clolurs? There is no reason for them not to be, they are still part of the First Group franchise until September! When the 387s are introduced First Group will no longer be operating the services.
And, the 319s, 365s etc. won't be painted into Southern colours as they aren't operating for Southern, they are operating Thameslink and Great Northern respectively.
Nah those 319s in tsgn livery are in a grey colour, and the 387s are white
The green line on the 387 is green! Look at the high definition pics.
Which is what I said. There is no reason to paint them into Southern. But Govia may consider painting then away from their current colour scheme (as they are First corporate logo colours) from 14 September. Unless the 387s come on line the 14th, there may be some painting...
The 319s are in a dirty white. I wouldn't expect a new train to be put into a dirty white colour scheme, the Class 700 going around is in white, just blue doors instead of green which is understandable since the 700s are destined for full time service on Thameslink whereas the 387s were destined for Southern and other TOCs but have been stuck on Thameslink for a year or so because of the Class 700 delays.
And do you have a link to any of those HD pics instead of just speaking about them? The green stripe - if there is one there - probably means that that specific unit will be destined for Southern and the other 387s may come out without that green stripe.
You're determined there is going to be some secret livery reveal aren't you. If there was it will be reserved for the 700s.
Ah, sorry I misunderstood. There is no way the 319s will be painted into Southern green, and I doubt they will be repainted, if they are it will be into a very basic colour scheme - the TSGN white livery most likely. They will stick the new logo on but that's more than likely it since the 387s should be in service around December, 2014, with the 700s taking over next December, 2015.
I don't think either of the two liveries are actually finished yet... Southern won't be changing livery afaik, from what we've been told, as the brand is known. I doubt they will repaint all out 377s into a new livery for a long long time...
The 387 could be a test one for new TGSN liveries, but will probably be a basic one as the units may get moved on...
Whilst you're at it, the seats inside are also Green, like 377/5s...
I would assume for cost reasons and that the Units are ordered by Southern but for use with TL... like the 377/5s
Few points
377/5 seats are green because they were supposed to have been returned to Southern by December 2013.
387/1 were ordered by Southern who simply chose to do a follow on order of four car 377/7 (properly cheaper) and added a Govia variant livery
700s & 319s TSGN livery was created by the DfT to allow the next bidder to easy apply its chosen livery.
As for the 700s being in white, remember they are on test just like the 387s so may not have the full livery, especially when you consider the 700 aren't in pure white but a mix of white cab and grey bodies like in this photo.
700101 on test track by Sparkyscrum, on Flickr
And are they going to update their credit card machines, so payments no longer appear as WAGN
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hopefully the grey/blue stays in some form or another, with some extra bits and the TL branding of course itll look nice.
The 700s look nice in it although you know my thoughts on the interior etc, im not gonna bore you with that any more
hopefully the grey/blue stays in some form or another, with some extra bits and the TL branding of course itll look nice.
The 700s look nice in it although you know my thoughts on the interior etc, im not gonna bore you with that any more
I don't think it will. They are branding Thameslink as pink and Great Northern blue.