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DownSouth · 28 Aug 2014

muddythefish said:
More interesting is India's attitude to yesterday's game. They were pitiful and looked disinterested in the Test series yet seemed galvanised and motivated by a meaningless one-day match.

It does rather reinforce Matthew Engel's view that apart from in England Test cricket is in serious trouble around the world with declining attendances and general lack of interest. Indian fans in particular seem to regard the IPL as more important than the national Test team these days.

I don't think Test cricket is in particular trouble in India, apart from their inability to find a good fast bowler who can be a ten year player. India's Tests away from home get extremely high TV ratings (which is good money for the countries they tour) and they are still playing a reasonably good number of Test series.

In defence of their team yesterday, it was mostly a different bunch of players in the ODI team swapped in after the Test series and you can't blame them for going out to prove a point - in the case of Rohit Sharma (52 opening) he's been trying to get into the Test team for years. In the case of Dhoni and Ashwin, you can't accuse them of coming alive for the ODI series because they both had good performances in the last Test and they have a good track record in all formats.

You might not remember though, England has come back from a ****house Test performance and come alive for the ODI series a couple of times in the recent past too. In 2006-07, they came back from the humiliation of losing the Ashes in a 5-0 whitewash to win the World Series, and over here last summer they performed relatively well in getting one more victory (1) than the Tests (another 5-0 whitewash) and pushing Australia hard in a couple of very close losses.

Test cricket is just as strong (i.e. firmly established as the most elite format of the game) in Australia and South Africa as it is in England. Australia has strong crowds against most opponents (and the option of having a winter series at smaller northern grounds for weak teams like Bangladesh), and the strong traditions of Brisbane opening the summer and the back-to-back matches of Melbourne (the biggest crowd at any match in the world, every year) and Sydney after Christmas.

New Zealand is reasonably healthy, but not particularly strong either as they struggle to pull crowds to their away matches.

If you're looking for countries where the Test format is genuinely in trouble (and for differing reasons in each) you need to look at Sri Lanka, Pakistan and the West Indies.

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Arglwydd Golau · 28 Aug 2014

DownSouth said:
Test cricket is just as strong (i.e. firmly established as the most elite format of the game) in Australia and South Africa as it is in England. Australia has strong crowds against most opponents (and the option of having a winter series at smaller northern grounds for weak teams like Bangladesh), and the strong traditions of Brisbane opening the summer and the back-to-back matches of Melbourne (the biggest crowd at any match in the world, every year) and Sydney after Christmas.

New Zealand is reasonably healthy, but not particularly strong either as they struggle to pull crowds to their away matches.

I'm not sure that is really the case...watching Test cricket in SA and NZ on Sky over the last few years has shown swathes of empty seats in the stands.

Oh, and from one of your earlier posts re Anderson, I don't think you need worry too much about him, he is one of those bowlers who doesn't seem to be constantly injured (in fact I can't remember him carrying an injury) and doesn't have to bowl at 90 mph/150k to do what he does best.....and I'm really pleased as well that Ryan Harris is fit again, good bowler and great trier, seemed at time s to single-handedly carry the Australian attack in 2013

muddythefish · 28 Aug 2014

Arglwydd Golau said:
I'm not sure that is really the case...watching Test cricket in SA and NZ on Sky over the last few years has shown swathes of empty seats in the stands.

Test cricket is dying a death in South Africa and New Zealand. Crowds are poor, and interest is minimal. Same in West Indies, although there the game as a whole is in decline against competition from football and US sports. Indians love the IPL format and have largely turned their back on Test cricket. It's a real worry.
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DownSouth said:
You might not remember though, England has come back from a ****house Test performance and come alive for the ODI series a couple of times in the recent past too. In 2006-07, they came back from the humiliation of losing the Ashes in a 5-0 whitewash to win the World Series, and over here last summer they performed relatively well in getting one more victory (1) than the Tests (another 5-0 whitewash) and pushing Australia hard in a couple of .

I don't need a reminder thanks but no doubt you'll keep shoving it down our throats. Would you like a reminder of England's victories over your lumpen lot over the past nine years ?

Arglwydd Golau · 31 Aug 2014

.....meanwhile, in Harare, Zimbabwe beat Australia by three wickets in an ODI, their first such win in 31 years.

ExRes · 31 Aug 2014

Arglwydd Golau said:
.....meanwhile, in Harare, Zimbabwe beat Australia by three wickets in an ODI, their first such win in 31 years.

Yes, well done Australia, a magnificent performance for such a peerless side, is this what going downsouth means ?

muddythefish · 1 Sep 2014

ExRes said:
Yes, well done Australia, a magnificent performance for such a peerless side, is this what going downsouth means ?

Australia don't do defeats. They're airbrushed from history.

:lol:

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Whistler40145 · 2 Sep 2014

What's up with the England ODI squad?

Arglwydd Golau · 2 Sep 2014

TimSYoung40145 said:
What's up with the England ODI squad?

Tactics...attitude...Captain....team selection?

Oswyntail · 2 Sep 2014

TimSYoung40145 said:
What's up with the England ODI squad?

A distinct shortage of the required bowlers. Yet the calls will be to change the batting, I bet

IanD · 3 Sep 2014

I was at the ODI yesterday. England had weak batting, half-hearted bowling, ill thought out field placing and just a general "can't be bothered" attitude. They posted a poor score and obviously thought it would be easily beaten so didn't even try to defend it. Probably wanted an early dart to beat the traffic home - no wonder the ground was only 75% full.

I haven't been to a ODI for a good few years and this game just served to remind me why.

(But Edgbaston has a real ale bar with 5 beers on so not all bad!)

Xenophon PCDGS · 3 Sep 2014

TimSYoung40145 said:
What's up with the England ODI squad?

Did anyone hear the television response by Cook to the current ODI debacle and the future matches leading to the next World Cup. His media skills are non-existent and this last interview reminded me of the reactions of a frightened rabbit.
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Today, Cook states that he will not resign as captain....which does not say all that much for his ODI captaincy skills as he has no ODI successes to aid that particular standpoint. On top of that let us also examine his ever-decreasing season-by-season ODI batting average over the last three years...
2012.....15 games....663 runs....average 47.35
2013.....16 games....560 runs....average 35.00
2014.....13 games....358 runs....average 29.83

Whistler40145 · 3 Sep 2014

Yes, I did & wasn't impressed at all by Alistair Cook's attitude. If I was Chairman of Selectors, Cook most certainly wouldn't be Captain of England or a member of the ODI squad!

Whistler40145 · 5 Sep 2014

Kyle Hogg forced to retire, due to a serious back injury.

ainsworth74 · 6 Sep 2014

A powerful 164 by Ben Stokes has propelled Durham to the final of the Royal London One Day Cup at Lords on Saturday 20 September having beaten Notts by 84 runs. Now I just need to work out if I can get myself sorted and to the match!

Xenophon PCDGS · 9 Sep 2014

International Triangular Series Final

Australia 217-9 (50 overs)
After a good base had been laid, Australia went from being 115-3 to 144-8, until the late order gave the score some modicum of respectability. Steyn was the pick of the South African bowlers, returning figures of 10-1-35-4.

South Africa 221-4 (40.5 overs)
du Plessis kept his current batting form going in this series with 96 (1x6,8x4) and South Africa hit the winning runs with over 9 overs to spare.
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TimSYoung40145 said:
Kyle Hogg forced to retire, due to a serious back injury.

It has not taken long for Lancashire to sign 23 year old Nathan Buck as his replacement from Leicestershire and he will join them at the end of this season.
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TimSYoung40145 said:
Yes, I did & wasn't impressed at all by Alistair Cook's attitude. If I was Chairman of Selectors, Cook most certainly wouldn't be Captain of England or a member of the ODI squad!

Yet today, we have Ashley Giles saying it is too late to replace Cook as captain with the World Cup being only a few months away.
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Back in the County Championship match at Hove, the decision by Sussex to put Lancashire into bat looked fully justified as Lancashire slumped to 148-7, until the number 8 batsman Luke Proctor decided today was a good day for lower order batmen and scored 81 not out and the Lancashire numbers 9, 10 and 11 all helped out with 20's of their own, with the result that Lancashire having lost their last wicket at the end of the day scored 320 all out.

muddythefish · 9 Sep 2014

Paul Sidorczuk said:
International Triangular Series Final

Australia 217-9 (50 overs)
After a good base had been laid, Australia went from being 115-3 to 144-8, until the late order gave the score some modicum of respectability. Steyn was the pick of the South African bowlers, returning figures of 10-1-35-4.

South Africa 221-4 (40.5 overs)
du Plessis kept his current batting form going in this series with 96 (1x6,8x4) and South Africa hit the winning runs with over 9 overs to spare.
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On dear what a shame never mind :lol:

ExRes · 12 Sep 2014

I see Gary Ballance, the man with the 'poor technique', managed another lucky 99, if he only he could improve then he'd be a far better player than 24 hundreds and 27 fifties in 124 first class innings would have you believe

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Sussex beat Lancashire by 7 wickets

Thank you very much lads, Lancs not used to the south coast sun

ainsworth74 · 12 Sep 2014

Many thanks to our Sussex supporting members for ensuring that Durham will remain in Division One next season. It seemed highly unlikely we'd go down after beating Middlesex but it's nice to be sure with two games still to go.

Could be a relegation shoot out at Old Trafford soon if Middlesex don't win their game at Somerset...

Xenophon PCDGS · 19 Sep 2014

ainsworth74 said:
Could be a relegation shoot out at Old Trafford soon if Middlesex don't win their game at Somerset...

Some solace is gained from the fact that Lancashire actually exceeded 300 runs in both their two innings, despite their defeat.

Unfortunately, for Lancashire, Middlesex not only have a 13 point lead, but also a game in hand.

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Middlesex, now on level games played, are now 19 points clear of Lancashire with just the final match of the season to play.

Oswyntail · 19 Sep 2014

Paul Sidorczuk said:
Middlesex, now on level games played, are now 19 points clear of Lancashire with just the final match of the season to play.

Which is against Lancashire at Old Trafford. Could be a nail biter

DownSouth · 20 Sep 2014

What is the points system used in the Championship?

Under the 6-2-0 system used in the Sheffield Shield (two points for a first innings lead in a drawn/lost match, six points for an outright win, three points to each side in a tie) a 19 point lead would be more than three full matches clear, so I'm guessing it's a very different system.

ainsworth74 · 20 Sep 2014

Yes totally different from your system. 16 points for a win, 8 for a tie and 5 for a draw. Bonus points are available in each first innings as long as the criteria are met within 110 overs. The batting side scores 1 point for reaching 200 runs, 2 for reaching 250, 3 for reaching 300, 4 for reaching 350 and 5 for reaching 400. The bowling side scores 1 for 3 wickets taken, 2 for 6 wickets and 3 for 9 wickets. The bonus points are awarded no matter the outcome.

So a team could lose the match and still score eight points if they got full bonus points. Cricinfo has more detail at the bottom of this page.

Xenophon PCDGS · 20 Sep 2014

My congratulations to Durham on winning the final today with a large number of overs to spare.

Was this the final match for Gareth Breese. His contribution with both bat and ball was excellent.

DarloRich · 21 Sep 2014

Paul Sidorczuk said:
My congratulations to Durham on winning the final today with a large number of overs to spare.

Was this the final match for Gareth Breese. His contribution with both bat and ball was excellent.

Yes he scored the winning runs in his final appearance for Durham and did well with the ball
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Some pictures from the game here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/darlo2009/sets/72157647458972010

Champions:

Royal London One-Day Cup final - Lords by DarloRich2009, on Flickr

ainsworth74 · 21 Sep 2014

I'm really really happy as, personally, it was certainly unexpected! I really wish I'd gone now

Really glad that Breesey got to not only win a title in his last game but hit the winning runs. He's been a real servant for Durham over the last ten odd years.

DarloRich · 22 Sep 2014

ainsworth74 said:
I'm really really happy as, personally, it was certainly unexpected! I really wish I'd gone now

Really glad that Breesey got to not only win a title in his last game but hit the winning runs. He's been a real servant for Durham over the last ten odd years.

It was a laboured performance all round really in less than ideal batting conditions but it was a nice touch for Breeze to score the winning runs my friend suggested that he would get the winning runs in his final game before the match started. We all felt that was far fetched.

Xenophon PCDGS · 22 Sep 2014

Paul Sidorczuk said:
Middlesex, now on level games played, are now 19 points clear of Lancashire with just the final match of the season to play.

Lancashire have brought in the Pakistan fast bowler Junaid Khan, who appeared for them in the T20 series, into their squad for this final match against Middlesex.

furryfeet · 22 Sep 2014

why are Finn and Anderson not available ?

Are having an enforced "rest" by the ECB, prior to the one-series in Sri-Lanka ?

Xenophon PCDGS · 22 Sep 2014

furryfeet said:
why are Finn and Anderson not available ?

Are having an enforced "rest" by the ECB, prior to the one-series in Sri-Lanka ?

Can you imagine how that type of enforced rest scenario would be received in the Football Premiership...:roll:

Buttsy · 23 Sep 2014

Paul Sidorczuk said:
Can you imagine how that type of enforced rest scenario would be received in the Football Premiership...:roll:

The difference is that Finn and Anderson are contracted to and paid by England, not Lancs or Middlesex.

He who pays the piper calls the tune...

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