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Govia get Thameslink Franchise

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physics34

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Am I alone in thinking the logo is a little small? I know it can't be expanded much because it would go onto the windows (not that that's stopped them with the speech bubbles) but it feels like an afterthought rather than a proper branding.

Well it is an afterthought isn't it?! GTR have said they are not gonna spend bundles on rebranding especially as these units are will be moving on in a few years. I'm surprised they don't mind them running around in Firsts house colours for that long though.

I guess we'll be seeing the Southern livered 377/2s get the logos eventually too rather than a total rebranding.

And they have already said the700s will be in the grey with blue doors livery with some'additional' branding.
 
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The new logos use the same colour palette as FCC and as FCC is an individual livery not seen on other a First Group operations it works quite well
 

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Selhurst did the work on 009 as well, could it be with Cauldwell being wound down soon, all work will pass to selhurst depot to carry out.

That's a troubling suggestion not only for the staff but the route. Remove Cauldwell and your screwed north of St Pancras of there is a core block and unit issues.

Each section of the Thameslink Y shape (MML, GN & BML) each need a depot for when the Core is closed. Engineering work will be required at some point.
 

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Posted by a friend who works for Govia on Facebook:

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Eurgh.
 

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Hmmmmm bigger than the thameslink ones
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Selhurst did the work on 009 as well, could it be with Cauldwell being wound down soon, all work will pass to selhurst depot to carry out.

Have noticed more thameslink units in selhurst depot lately, that and this logo application job has something to do with TL now being Govia, and maybe there is alot more cooperation between the franchises, even before we officially merge in July.
 
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Hmmmmm bigger than the thameslink ones
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Have noticed more thameslink units in selhurst depot lately, that and this logo application job has something to do with TL now being Govia, and maybe there is alot more cooperation between the franchises, even before we officially merge in April.

Southern and GTR merge in July NOT April!
 

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Posted by a friend who works for Govia on Facebook:

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Eurgh.

The Great Northern logo for some reason doesn't seem to sit well with the FCC lines in the back. If it was plain purple like the Thameslink 377 then I think it would be fine though.
 

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Hmmmmm bigger than the thameslink ones
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Have noticed more thameslink units in selhurst depot lately, that and this logo application job has something to do with TL now being Govia, and maybe there is alot more cooperation between the franchises, even before we officially merge in July.

Had thought this too actually. Just at the weekend there was a move from Victoria to Selhurst and back for TL units, although I didn't check which ones. And one from Bedford planned (5O77) this week.

Not sure if the Great Northern logo sits well on that, although it should look good on the repainted 365s.
 

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Have noticed more thameslink units in selhurst depot lately, that and this logo application job has something to do with TL now being Govia, and maybe there is alot more cooperation between the franchises, even before we officially merge in July.

Nothing to do with Govia winning the franchise but the fact Thameslink hires in a far chunk of it fleet from Southern. The 377/5 fleet is currently undergoing work along with some of the 319s. This started under FCC and would have continued if First or anyone else had won the TSGN franchise.

There is no real difference currently from operationally from under FCC, just a few policies have changed.
 
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Nothing to do with Govia winning the franchise but the fact Thameslink hires in a far chunk of it fleet from Southern. The 377/5 fleet is currently undergoing work along with some of the 319s. This started under FCC and would have continued if First or anyone else had won the TSGN franchise.

There is no real difference currently from operationally from under FCC, just a few policies have changed.

ah ok, there does just seem to be more units in selhurst lately.
 

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When the MML is electrified to Corby and (if it) goes half hourly to Corby, I wonder if they will use 387s maintained at Cauldwell for that and perhaps transfer the service to GTR (in the same way that the KX-KLs will be operated with GTR)?
 
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That's a troubling suggestion not only for the staff but the route. Remove Cauldwell and your screwed north of St Pancras of there is a core block and unit issues.

Each section of the Thameslink Y shape (MML, GN & BML) each need a depot for when the Core is closed. Engineering work will be required at some point.

Although Caldwell won't be servicing the Class 700s, I was given to understand that they'll still be stabling units at Bedford. Given the omnishambles that usually results from a few flakes of snow, I was surprised that the 700s are to be maintained only at Selhurst and Hornsey. What will happen to Bedford Cauldwell?
 

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Although Caldwell won't be servicing the Class 700s, I was given to understand that they'll still be stabling units at Bedford. Given the omnishambles that usually results from a few flakes of snow, I was surprised that the 700s are to be maintained only at Selhurst and Hornsey. What will happen to Bedford Cauldwell?

Isn't the problem with Cauldwell that its not long enough for 12 car fixed formation stock?

Electrification of the curve onto the Goblin line and off it to the ECML when the Goblin line is juiced is surely a must!

If only they hadn't got rid of the curve to Kentish Town then the Goblin line could have become part of Thameslink with the Sevenoaks to Kentish Towns running twice hourly to Barking and two an hour from Gospel Oak to Barking.
 
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Although Caldwell won't be servicing the Class 700s, I was given to understand that they'll still be stabling units at Bedford. Given the omnishambles that usually results from a few flakes of snow, I was surprised that the 700s are to be maintained only at Selhurst and Hornsey. What will happen to Bedford Cauldwell?

The two main Class 700 maintenance depots are at Hornsey and Three Bridges. But they'll be stabled overnight all over the network. Regular poster Class 377/5 came up with a list of stabling locations a while back, it was quite extensive; unfortunately I can't find it by searching.
 
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GTR is the company name not the branding. For example Southern is only a brand name of New Southern Railway company. Same applies to GTR.

I know. But my point was/is that Govia is not putting its name anywhere. It's only the brand name, and for a contact address is says GTR.

Thus if Thameslink get a terrible reputation, or indeed Great Northern eventually goes tits up, Joe Public generally won't know who is to blame. Well, this company called GTR will be blamed.

A total difference to having a First logo all over.
 

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The two main Class 700 maintenance depots are at Hornsey and Three Bridges. But they'll be stabled overnight all over the network. Regular poster Class 377/5 came up with a list of stabling locations a while back, it was quite extensive; unfortunately I can't find it by searching.

Stabling locations off the tip of my head include Bedford Carriage Sidings, Jowetts, Cauldwell (maybe), Cricklewood, Peterborough Nene, Cambridge, Hornsey, Brighton Down Yard, Selhurst, Horsham, Three Bridges, Caterham, Tattenham Corner, Bellingham, Sevenoaks.

Orpington, Victoria are places to be cleared and I think Littlehampton will see some berthing.

Although Caldwell won't be servicing the Class 700s, I was given to understand that they'll still be stabling units at Bedford. Given the omnishambles that usually results from a few flakes of snow, I was surprised that the 700s are to be maintained only at Selhurst and Hornsey. What will happen to Bedford Cauldwell?

Bedford stabling doesn't require Cauldwell but it should be kept.

No-one knows what's happening to Cauldwell, supposed to be serving EMT electric stock in a few years but rumour is things have changed.
 
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I know. But my point was/is that Govia is not putting its name anywhere. It's only the brand name, and for a contact address is says GTR.

Thus if Thameslink get a terrible reputation, or indeed Great Northern eventually goes tits up, Joe Public generally won't know who is to blame. Well, this company called GTR will be blamed.

A total difference to having a First logo all over.

That's the idea unfortunately! Although most of the regulars are generally very well informed and know the score. Just the other day one remarked "oh I was worried Govia had cancelled it" after a departure board glitch at King's Cross.
 

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I don't think either logo works against the First livery - the logo needs a light background, in those pictures the background of the main logo section blurs into the background of the livery.

I'd have probably reversed the main section, so it was dark text on a white background.
 

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Don't forget Class377/5 the fact that from 2016/2018 onwards that Peterborough will have two stabling locations; Nene sidings and the new yard under construction north of the station on the site on the former Spital sidings.
 

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I know. But my point was/is that Govia is not putting its name anywhere. It's only the brand name, and for a contact address is says GTR.

Thus if Thameslink get a terrible reputation, or indeed Great Northern eventually goes tits up, Joe Public generally won't know who is to blame. Well, this company called GTR will be blamed.

A total difference to having a First logo all over.

Well this is a general rule with Go-ahead /Govia companies anyway, if you look at their bus companies too.
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I don't think either logo works against the First livery - the logo needs a light background, in those pictures the background of the main logo section blurs into the background of the livery.

I'd have probably reversed the main section, so it was dark text on a white background.

its only for 2 to 3 years so i can't see that how the logos fit the fcc livery is a major concern for GTR.
 

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It is a lot worse for phone signal than the ECML but I'm not sure how that's the fault of any TOC. Lots of short tunnels and cuttings near London.

Personally, I usually get a good 3G or even 4G signal on Three or EE, and it's south that is worse - especially to Gatwick via Elephant and Castle.
 

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