bunnahabhain
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Indeed, I suspect you're right. I do find people do travel in from neighbouring areas that have their own station if a quicker service is available at a time that suits them.
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southern442
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But there is a Caterham train that comes 3 minutes later! Pointless if you ask me.
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The 23:35 Waterloo to Salisbury service on Sundays is the only Salisbury bound service which calls at both Farnborough & Fleet
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There are of course the irregular stopping patterns along the Trent Valley section of the West Coast Mainline notably at Lichfield Trent Valley, Tamworth and Nuneaton.
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I was on a TPE service the other morning which called at Crossgates on its way to Manchester. I found this rather odd as it didn't stop at Garforth
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Longport is one where its only served by Northern Rail twice in the morning Northbound only and Polesworth is once in the morning Northbound only.
Motherwell I think is an irregular stop for Virgin and Transpennie.
Motherwell I think is an irregular stop for Virgin and Transpennie.
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The 06:14 from Totton is the only one to stop at Redbridge & Milbrook. The 07:19 and 08:19 from Southampton do this in the reverse direction.
The 07:06 from Didcot Parkway calls at Cholsey, Goring & Streatley, Pangbourne, Tilehurst and Maidenhead. One of only a few services not to stop at Reading.
The 07:06 from Didcot Parkway calls at Cholsey, Goring & Streatley, Pangbourne, Tilehurst and Maidenhead. One of only a few services not to stop at Reading.
Just the one TPE service stops there now - a westbound service at 08:33, without it there would be 80 minutes between the service at 08:03 and the one at 09:23. The other TPE calls were removed when Northern got the LM 150s so were able to extend an evening Piccadilly-Hazel Grove to Chinley and to strengthen some Hope Valley services.
The 08:03 is an EMT service which is a more weird one as it's only 6 minutes after the Northern stopper.
The 21:37 Liverpool-Nottingham stops at all stations between Chinley and Sheffield, presumably to provide a late services at those stations without running another train from Manchester to Sheffield and back.
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50 per service or 50 over two services? The latter is fairly low compared to most stations served by Northern (even though it's high for a village the size of Chinley), while the former would suggest something afoot given Chinley gets an average of 289 journeys recorded per day. Maybe a lot of ticketless travel or a lot of trains stopping there with no-one getting on or off?
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I explained above, its not an anomaly. In the morning the services provide fast services to London for the South Croydon commuters, and again, fast returns in the evening. Plus, Whitgift school attracts users. I know of kids that live in Kent and drive to Oxted/Hurst Green to get the train to South Croydon. So stopping them northbound in the morning allows them to get to school, and then southbound stops in the evening allow them to return home.
And there may be a Caterham 3 minutes behind, but that doesn't interest the kids wanting to go to Woldingham, Oxted and beyond. Sides, I also think that might be more a result of fitting in East Grinsted trains as and when they pass through as opposed to fitting them in at a time that makes sense to South Croydon pax.
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The thing is, these mystery kids wanting to go to Woldingham and Oxted don't exist! No one gets on or off at South Croydon! (admittedly a few get off but the load is shared between the East G and Caterham services.
And the fast services to South Croydon are followed by fast Caterham trains minutes after!
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1945 Inverurie to Edinburgh and 2105 Aberdeen to Edinburgh, fairly normal stopping pattern as far as Dundee, then all stops (Except Springfield) to Edinburgh. The only trains from North of Dundee which stop at Kinghorn, Burntisland and so on.
The previous commuter service on this route which started I think at Garelochhead originally ran in the Maryhill line all stations path.
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Both services pick up a lot of passengers, most of the commuters favour the EMT services over the Northern services because they're quicker. When I go past in the daytime you don't tend to see many folk, and when I route learned Romiley I don't believe many people got off the Northern services. Please don't misuse statistics, its an average of 289 journeys per day, except it's going to be a lot fewer on weekends, during Christmas, bank holidays, half term weeks and so on. I stopped there today and approximately 30 peopel got off the train, and I'll be stopping there on Friday, so I'll keep an eye out for you.
All true. But I do also wonder if there is quite a bit of ticketless travel from that station, but I doubt it will actually be that much more than the (fairly high) average for Northern of around 6%.
What I am interested in is how many people get off at Edale, Hope, Bamford, Hathersage and Grindleford on the 2121 from Liverpool! I am often among the crowd on P14 at Piccadilly waiting for the Wilmslow train behind when it goes through, and everyone is always waiting in the wrong place (especially at Oxford Road) because the rear unit is locked out for the tiny stations.
Is it really a lot fewer at the weekend? From my experience the services at weekend between the school Easter holidays and October half-term can be very well utilised. Surely there's a reason why it's an all day hourly frequency on Saturday while a 2 hourly frequency at off-peak times on weekdays?
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Less freight taking up the paths.
OK but there's still some very well utilised Hope Valley services at the weekend. When I caught a Manchester bound train from Edale station on a Saturday afternoon in the summer, I arrived before the Sheffield service had departed and between the Sheffield bound service and the Manchester bound service there must have been at least 75 boarding.
Yes but if you re-read the post I was answering you will notice that it was asking why there is a South Croydon stop on an early DOWN service, ie AGAINST the direction of peak flow. The reasons for the handle of peak flow direction stops there are obvious - but the reason for the single stop against the flow is not. Or are schools starting at 6am these days?
Usually a smattering at each. Grindleford and Hathersage can be quite busy with students going into Sheffield for a night out. Edale, Hope and Bamford usually have a few late commuters or leisure folk from Manchester getting off.
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The rear unit is locked out to comply with local operating instructions for Hathersage which do not permit a multiple unit of more than 2 cars to call at the station unless the rear vehicles are locked out of use, the sole exception being a train formed of 2x142. Why this instruction exists I do not know, but it certainly saves having to battle through drunks to perform local door and the subsequent over carrying farces that can ensue.
Our last one over the valley tends to drop off a couple at each station and on certain nights (Thu/Fri/Sat) you tend to pick up a small number at Edale, Hathersage and Grindleford heading into Sheffield for a night out.
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Yup that is correct it used to be a 0709 service from Garelochead calling at Helensburgh Upper, Cardross, Dumbarton Central, Dalmuir, Singer, Maryhill, Possilpark and Parkhouse and finally Glasgow Queen St. The service has obviously just been extended now to start at Oban at 0521.
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15 alighted today, none boarded, but we were 30 down and punters had likely gone for the stopper.
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Before the May 2014 timetable change, it originated at Arrochar & Tarbet at 0710.
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How about the 04:43 Colchester to Liverpool Street
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y11743/2014/12/18/advanced
and the
00:46 Liverpool Street to Colchester
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y18809/2014/12/18/advanced
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y11743/2014/12/18/advanced
and the
00:46 Liverpool Street to Colchester
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y18809/2014/12/18/advanced
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It's a throwback to the steam days....
When there was a 05.20 Victoria to Tunbridge Wells West!
I believe it was to do with mail and parcels etc.
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The milk train (plus newspapers)- I've travelled on them from Vic, but not the TW West.
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With regard to Chinley, the 07:03 EMT to Liverpool Lime Street regularly has 30-40 passengers boarding; The 07:57 Northern and 08:03 EMT services towards Manchester have a similar number again between them, with passengers gambling on which one will reach Piccadilly first if the Northern one is delayed at all. There is at least one regular passenger from out of the Hope Valley who uses Chinley to transfer from Northern to EMT with these two trains.
As far as ticketless travel goes, if one uses the 07:57, its important to sit as close as possible to the door where the guard does station duties when boarding to ensure you can buy a ticket from the guard. After New Mills Central, it is virtually impossible for the guard to get through the train to sell tickets, as it will be too crowded.
For the evening return, using either the 16:43 or 17:43 EMT trains (ex Picc times), these are often delayed between Castlefield Jct and Piccadilly; so again Chinley passengers take a gamble between these services and the Northern ones at 16:50 and 17:50. The gamble is usually on whether the New Mills South Junction signalman will hold the stopper to allow the express up the Hope Valley first.
As far as ticketless travel goes, if one uses the 07:57, its important to sit as close as possible to the door where the guard does station duties when boarding to ensure you can buy a ticket from the guard. After New Mills Central, it is virtually impossible for the guard to get through the train to sell tickets, as it will be too crowded.
For the evening return, using either the 16:43 or 17:43 EMT trains (ex Picc times), these are often delayed between Castlefield Jct and Piccadilly; so again Chinley passengers take a gamble between these services and the Northern ones at 16:50 and 17:50. The gamble is usually on whether the New Mills South Junction signalman will hold the stopper to allow the express up the Hope Valley first.
Very popular train and always busy
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