seasoned drivers.... clear something up please

Clip · 29 Oct 2014

HarleyDavidson said:
My depot is now a young depot, so in our case yes. There's only around about 20 drivers who are pre-2000, 10 or so who in the 90's & 5 who're ex-BR. That's out of a depot of nearly 80, probably more than 80 as of December.

And I asked you, given that we were discussing going DOO back in BR days - though I didnt make it clear if I must admit

Clip said:
You cannot tell me that these young people you speak of outweighed the 'Elders' in the mess room when the ballot was put to them about going DOO can you?

Nothing about todays mess rooms.

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HarleyDavidson · 29 Oct 2014

We've never been offered DOO-P. It was blocked or killed off before it was even born, with the threat of strike action.

DOO-P isn't likely to happen either as it's known that passengers prefer the presence of a guard on board than to be single manned. Our trains have been modified now so there are no door controls in the cabs, only in the vestibules, all monitors & mirrors were removed with the odd exception. And I don't think you'll find many takers now for DOO-P considering the clientèle we have to put up with on certain routes.

TDK · 29 Oct 2014

trevzx6 said:
Some drivers at my depot have worked 40 odd rest days already and we're just over half way through the year. I don't see the point personally when nearly half of it goes in
tax and ni but each to their own.

I will be on about 56k this year and will hardly pay any tax at 40% as I put the max into my pension with AVC's
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TOCDriver said:
Funny you mention that, sarahj. When I'm filling in 'late slips', I almost always write 'refer to guard'! lol Back on the subject of newbies and mistakes, most of the driving errors up here are down to experienced drivers of several years experience. I have always said complacency is the drivers worst enemy and the statistics bear me out.

This highest risk of incident is from 18months to 5 years, complacency is the biggest demon.

red2005 · 30 Oct 2014

HarleyDavidson said:
Read what I said.

Because they have "no point of reference" & don't know any better because they are new to the job, they're likely to vote for something that appears to be good, but in reality is 5th 17th. An example of this is the 4 day week deal on SW.

Absolute rubbish, sacrificed pay to get what? In the majority of depots no change in rostering at all, yet others have a true 4 day week and you get stupid turnarounds, where you finish after midnight, yet two days later you're starting at 0400.

They never read between the lines to see what other stupid ideas were involved either, now things are coming home to roost in the complaints about rostering and the hidden stings are being used. My attitude is tough live with it, you voted for it, get on with it, despite being told & advised not to go for it.

ok fair enough like I said earlier maybe a hazard of the trade when recruiting drivers/guards/staff off the street with no railway experience........but at least that inexperience/naivety can be their excuse!

what is the excuse of the older hands who have sold out for some of the poor conditions that may be in place today?..........or is this where all that seniority rubbish comes in where the more senior you are it doesn't matter what you do it shouldn't be questioned because of the years you have put in??

trevzx6 · 30 Oct 2014

TDK said:
I will be on about 56k this year and will hardly pay any tax at 40% as I put the max into my pension with AVC's
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Good point, Some companies offer a salary sacrifice car scheme which works in the same way allowing you to work your rest days at 20% tax.

TDK · 30 Oct 2014

trevzx6 said:
TDK said:

I will be on about 56k this year and will hardly pay any tax at 40% as I put the max into my pension with AVC's
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Good point, Some companies offer a salary sacrifice car scheme which works in the same way allowing you to work your rest days at 20% tax.

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Anyone at my age not maxing their pension and doing overtime is certainly not getting the benefit of the tax free incentives. Think about it, I have 7 years till retirement, I pay a lot into my pension with 40% tax relief that gives me just under 6% interest a year on my money, in an ISA the max is about 1.5% so to be fair it is a no brainer not putting as much as you can afford into your pension.

jamess115 · 30 Oct 2014

On a related topic, can anyone confirm that newly qualified drivers are paid on a tiered wage structure to the seasoned guys or does it depend on the TOC?

Anyone shed any light on approx what the basic starting salary is for new drivers ? FYI, I know this varies depending on TOC's, just after an idea.

Thanks in advance

sarahj · 31 Oct 2014

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KT530 · 31 Oct 2014

jamess115 said:
On a related topic, can anyone confirm that newly qualified drivers are paid on a tiered wage structure to the seasoned guys or does it depend on the TOC?

Anyone shed any light on approx what the basic starting salary is for new drivers ? FYI, I know this varies depending on TOC's, just after an idea.

Thanks in advance

Depends on the TOC. Mine pays the full rate from the day you pass out.

Up-to-date rates for each TOC is available here:

http://www.aslef.org.uk/information/102222/102225/companies/

But as others have said, it's not all about the money; some TOCs have better conditions than others.

rob12 · 31 Oct 2014

KT530 said:
Depends on the TOC. Mine pays the full rate from the day you pass out.

Up-to-date rates for each TOC is available here:

http://www.aslef.org.uk/information/102222/102225/companies/

But as others have said, it's not all about the money; some TOCs have better conditions than others.

What surprises me here is the difference in what TOC'S pay? I would of thought that for instance a driver who works in London as DOO would get paid more than say a first trans express driver
More hassle, worse turns, more risks as a DOO London driver and a twice as much in living costs
As a newbie it is interesting to see opinions, but my thought is a long the line of that in today's world most people i think look at the pay packet first as it is so expensive now to have a decent lifestyle, you want the best you can for you and yours and then the love of the job comes second, i know this is probably opposite to the thought of the old skool drivers who have been in the industry for 10/15 + years

jamess115 · 31 Oct 2014

Thanks for the response boys (and the link). I was just a bit confused as a previous poster mentioned about their being a tiered salary structure. Perhaps there is at some TOC's.

sarahj · 1 Nov 2014

Here are Southerns full rates.

jamess115 · 1 Nov 2014

sarahj said:
Here are Southerns full rates.

Thanks Sarah. As Southern is part of the Govia franchise, I imagine the rates will be similar to other member TOC's.

TDK · 1 Nov 2014

jamess115 said:
Thanks Sarah. As Southern is part of the Govia franchise, I imagine the rates will be similar to other member TOC's.

Not really look at the difference between XC, ATW, LOROL, Chiltern and Tyne and Wear, they are all DB but have a huge differential with their salaries.

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