Loco hauled is dead, in every market segment distributed traction has either taken over or in the case of HSR, new products are coming to the market to replace earlier generation hauled stock. The days of hauled are nearly over.
Loco hauled is dead, in every market segment distributed traction has either taken over or in the case of HSR, new products are coming to the market to replace earlier generation hauled stock. The days of hauled are nearly over.
well, if they need the capacity and no more units can be got, and they can get a good deal on leasing a set and put it on a route where using it might be feasible freeing up some units, its worth looking at at least. i'm well aware its not going to happen, but its better then sitting around and leaving things as they are is it not?Loco hauled is dead, in every market segment distributed traction has either taken over or in the case of HSR, new products are coming to the market to replace earlier generation hauled stock. The days of hauled are nearly over.
well, if they need the capacity and no more units can be got, and they can get a good deal on leasing a set and put it on a route where using it might be feasible freeing up some units, its worth looking at at least. i'm well aware its not going to happen, but its better then sitting around and leaving things as they are is it not?
Well the TPE will just have to manage with what they can have, It was up to me then they wouldn't get anything to replace the 170's, it would be a case of going back to 4 trains an hour on the Huddersfield route, targeting capacity at peak hour's, and stop selling as many cheapo tickets. I would also look at getting rid of 1st class
TPE introduced an additional Liverpool-York service (York-Newcastle was moved from one service to another) which takes under 2 hours, so that's 4 x 185s freed up by removing it.
So what you're proposing would involve some 4 car 170s being replaced by 3 car 185s and less services on some of the routes which the highest seat occupancy levels in the country. :roll:
You might want to talk to DB too as they just ordered about 200 of these...
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Yep loco hauled it almost dead!!!
I'm not sure that agree with that assertion I was under the impression that at least 7 185's were freed up by the 350's, also the section between York and Newcastle wasn't a full hourly service in the old timetable there were some gaps particularly at peak periods.
You might want to talk to DB too as they just ordered about 200 of these...
Yep loco hauled it almost dead!!!
If 8 158s from Scotrail were a viable option, then they should be concentrated on the Hull route, which uses the least number of train crew depots to staff the route and would require the least crew training. It also has the least First Class patronage overall.
Anyway carry on. Im sure TPE cannot wait to get their hands on those lovely new 158s they thought they had seen the last of 10 years ago LOL. Then they are going to find someone to look after them seeing as they have no staff familar with said units and I cant imagine Siemens wanting them spoiling their pristine workshops at Ardwick not to mention having no equipment to work on said units...
I thought it had been mentioned on this board that some TPE crews still sign 158s to cover the Scarborough to Hull route on behalf of Northern?
I imagine they will have to be allocated to Nev and TPE pay them a fee for work required + maintance + stabling. As happens with XC HSTs at EC.
I have also heard that the DfT has asked TPE to work up a timetable based on the 170s going, and there being no replacement stock. Doing this would mean, I reckon, that the pre-May timetable could just about operate, but many services which run as more than one unit, and are already full and standing throughout, and pretty much all peak hour doubling up, would dissappear, as would any strengthening of Scottish services at weekends where 185s are currently used to operate some services to allow 350s to double up. Essentially it would be complete chaos all the time, with overcrowding and stranded passengers even worse than it is now! There would then also be lots of redundant train crew sitting around with no work - and somebody will need to pay them too
As I've reported in other threads, and I'm sure you know as well as I, things are not going well at present. I've made 5 TPE journeys in the last week and a bit, all on trains where I had a reserved seat, only one of which has been honoured. Some trains have been painfully overcrowded and that's just North TPE, I feel bad for anyone travelling on the Scotland route!