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Its funny that , I remember seeing this interview with someone outside a foodbank once , and she is stood their in probably 150-200 pounds worth of designer cloths claiming she doesn't have the money to buy food for her and her child .The journalist but the possession of an I phone 5 and a PSP and these designer cloths to her and she said yeah but I need my nice things as well .
Im sorry but people like that should be prevented from having Children .
Of course because nobody that goes to a foodbank has designer cloths or an I phone 5
Im sorry but people like that should be prevented from having Children .
Of course because nobody that goes to a foodbank has designer cloths or an I phone 5
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It's entirely possible that these people blow their money on lifestyle choices instead of using it for food and accommodation.
It's also possible that people were in work, spent a lot of money, and then lost their job so have to rely on support.
She had never worked a day in her life , by her own admission there not me with some prejudiced view or anything .
Having grown up in a house where my father was made redundant I understand this can happen , we had some nice things from when he worked ,I dont have a problem with that . Although he had to sell the car because he couldnt afford to keep it on the road . However for someone who has never worked a day in their life to be walking around with things that even some people who work damm hard cant afford to me says something must be wrong with the system .
If you blow your money on lifestyle choices rather than food and accomodation when you have children to be worrying about than there is something dangerously wrong there .
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Xenophon PCDGS
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Television advertising bears some blame with products in advertisments being said to be "must have".
I think you mean 'bares' rather than one of these: http://images.nationalgeographic.com/wpf/media-live/photos/000/007/cache/kodiak-bear_775_600x450.jpg being to blame.
Xenophon PCDGS
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I think you mean 'bares' rather than one of these: http://images.nationalgeographic.com/wpf/media-live/photos/000/007/cache/kodiak-bear_775_600x450.jpg being to blame.
Oh no I don't. One says "bears some blame"...not ..."bares some blame"...as we are not discussing an article in the Health and Efficiency magazine
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Oh no I don't. One says "bears some blame"...not ..."bares some blame"...as we are not discussing an article in the Health and Efficiency magazine
Yes ignore me. I just thought of the mammal first when I saw bears and imagined bears coming on when the ad break starts.
Jobcentre Plus cards are only available for 6-9 months. In West Yorkshire the unemployed can get a MetroRover to get half price rail and bus fares - but this costs £5 every 4 weeks and there are no longer half price day tickets - when I was unemployed in West Yorkshire I didn't find it worth bothering with (though the previous version that was £2 every 4 weeks and allowed half-fare day tickets to be bought was genuinely useful).
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At a time when afternoon peak restrictions have just been introduced in the north, it is interesting that they are to be abolished from 2 January 2015 for many journeys in London.
Advice to the Mayor said:
Bletchleyite
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IanD
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Quite. A 34% increase in the cost of an off-peak 1 day z1-6 travelcard. And an increase of 37% in the cap for anyone using Oyster off-peak.
craigwilson
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Sorry about bumping this thread, but I thought this was the most relevant thread for this.
The restriction code for Buxton - Manchester Off-Peak Day Returns is now B3, with the off-peak ticket valid after 9am and all day after. I'd looked as he ticket office guy at Buxton pointed it out to me when I asked about 2015 prices for the tickets from Buxton.
Have Northern quietly gotten rid of the unloved evening peak? As with the previous change, they haven't publicised it very well.
The restriction code for Buxton - Manchester Off-Peak Day Returns is now B3, with the off-peak ticket valid after 9am and all day after. I'd looked as he ticket office guy at Buxton pointed it out to me when I asked about 2015 prices for the tickets from Buxton.
Have Northern quietly gotten rid of the unloved evening peak? As with the previous change, they haven't publicised it very well.
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Sadly not. Warrington-Manchester still shows as restriction code 'ND'. IMHO, they shouldn't be allowed all this 'Associated Routes' rubbish. If we have to have the PTE peak time ticket restrictions we should have PTE ticket prices too!
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Well it appears that evening peak as before operates from New Mills inwards, and a full post-9am off-peak operates from stations further out.
As I said, no "official" announcement from Northern :roll:
Let's hope they don't use this as an opportunity to try and ching the punters for some of their beloved £80 "pay us and we won't prosecute" blackmail money.
As I said, no "official" announcement from Northern :roll:
Let's hope they don't use this as an opportunity to try and ching the punters for some of their beloved £80 "pay us and we won't prosecute" blackmail money.
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Good thinking! I might try that and let them prosecute, I'd win of course but would be fun to see what happens!craigwilson:2024234 said:
Nothing is certain in court, and it is a bad idea to rush in to legal action feeling certain what the outcome will be.
I agree with you that Northern's position here does not look good, but if the consequences for you of losing would be serious, I would urge you to let someone else be the guinea pig.
oddiesjack
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There is nothing on the Northern website about the removal of Evening Peak Restrictions on the Buxton line beyond Disley; and as far as I can tell, this unpublished removal ONLY applies to the Buxton line, so we have the ridiculous situation where the Evening Peak Restriction applies to New Mills Central, but not to Newtown!
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New Mills Central and Newton are both on dotted green lines meaning the same restrictions apply for journeys to/from Manchester.
http://www.northernrail.org/tickets/Off-Peak+tickets
Bletchleyite
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Nope.
http://www.brfares.com/#faredetail?orig=NMN&dest=MAN&grpd=0438&tkt=CDR
Might have been an error?
Neil
http://www.brfares.com/#faredetail?orig=NMN&dest=MAN&grpd=0438&tkt=CDR
Might have been an error?
Neil
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jcollins, indeed that is what the map says, but as I said before, no "official" Northern announcement has taken place.
Surely the restriction codes are definitive in such a situation, regardless of what a map says?
Or maybe the Derbyshire/High Peak powers-that-be may have had something to say on the matter?
Northern should either announce it properly, or "correct" the restriction code so it is as it was before Christmas. However, I rather think it suits Northern to continue spreading fear, uncertainty and doubt.
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Bletchleyite
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Could be. FWIW, VT a while ago introduced evening peak restrictions from Milton Keynes Central that were actually stricter than from Euston (i.e. there was a train from Euston stopping at MKC that was off-peak from Euston but peak from MKC). They were rescinded after VT were told off, as it put them in breach of their franchise agreement to have evening peak restrictions northbound from MKC.
This wasn't trumpeted either.
Neil
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From February Northern will introduce 6 Assistant Fare Collectors (AFC's) on western strengthened non-corridor services. So looks like they are finally clamping down on the issues of non-corridor stock. Surprised unions haven't been complaining about job erosion or less well paid staff competition though.
Leeds-Rochdale-Manchester services have instituted Failure To Pay bringing the number of lines this is instituted on to 13 in the west.
Victoria gates opening delayed to second half of February (was supposed to be New Years), guess another knock on of late running Victoria works.
Leeds-Rochdale-Manchester services have instituted Failure To Pay bringing the number of lines this is instituted on to 13 in the west.
Victoria gates opening delayed to second half of February (was supposed to be New Years), guess another knock on of late running Victoria works.
I don't see any conflict of interest here. These new positions will be to assist the guard in his revenue duties not to replace him in his operational duties.
I started of my railway career as an Assistant Ticket Examiner (ATE) which seems to be very similar to the above post(s). We only worked services that operated with a guard. These positions were seen as entry level positions with the expectation that you would progress though the company.
I fully suspect that these positions will pay for themselves many times over.
Northern keep introducing Assistant Fare Collectors but then keep removing them again. This must be the third or fourth time it's been implemented but most of the ones they introduced on previous occasions have since disappeared.
It's not just an issue with non-corridor stock. Even when it's a single 142/150/156 it's sometimes impossible for the conductor to get through the whole train between stations mean some people travelling from unstaffed stations travel without a ticket and aren't given the opportunity to buy one on board.
It's not just an issue with non-corridor stock. Even when it's a single 142/150/156 it's sometimes impossible for the conductor to get through the whole train between stations mean some people travelling from unstaffed stations travel without a ticket and aren't given the opportunity to buy one on board.
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The issue isn't over having AFCs on trains, nor is it the fact that they won't pay for themselves, the issue is that the Union says they should be staff employed by Northern, with appropriate training and all the trappings of working for that employer, rather than agency staff. There are plenty of AFCs on Northern trains over on the East Side, where they are employed directly by Northern. Strangely though on the West side they have always tried to suggest it should be Agency staff rather than Northern employees.
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I don't know what goes on in Northern's West side, but it generally seems the poor relation in HR terms. I've never had a dispute with an East side guard, they don't have ticket monkeys or penalty fakes and there's plenty of people around who will smile and have a bit of a chat. With the exception of some people at Carlisle that seems to be vanishingly rare elsewhere. The approach to revenue can be Erm shall we say lacklustre. In Manchester, people get the train in the evenings because on the bus, you have to pay.
This evening I'm on the 1559 departure from Orrell with an Off-Peak ticket to Littleborough, which is of course valid.
But if Northern had worded restriction code 'ND' as, for example:
"Not valid to depart Picadilly, Victoria, Oxford Road, Deansgate, Salford Central or Salford Crescent stations between 1601 and 1829 inclusive"
It would not be.
This type of resticion is clearly fairer because it doesn't penalise passengers on empty contr -peak trains such as this one, between Kirkiby and Manchester, and it also prevents off-peak tickets from being valid on long journeys as in my case.
Indeed, Northern would then be in line with the way restrictions work in most other cities. Does anyone agree?
But if Northern had worded restriction code 'ND' as, for example:
"Not valid to depart Picadilly, Victoria, Oxford Road, Deansgate, Salford Central or Salford Crescent stations between 1601 and 1829 inclusive"
It would not be.
This type of resticion is clearly fairer because it doesn't penalise passengers on empty contr -peak trains such as this one, between Kirkiby and Manchester, and it also prevents off-peak tickets from being valid on long journeys as in my case.
Indeed, Northern would then be in line with the way restrictions work in most other cities. Does anyone agree?
Bletchleyite
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Yes, I agree that having the restriction directional would make sense.
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