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Northern rolling stock changes post electrification
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D365
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Six units were just recently (a few weeks or months ago) added to cover for the 156s which go on loan to TPE.
The 319/2s are remaining with Thameslink for now; so aside from the 20 units to Northern and 7 to LM in this first tranche, we don't know any more of cascade plans.
callum112233
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I was looking for one yesterday. I was out from around 2:30 pm, no luck finding one. Ended up stumbling across the Arrive 67 set and gave that a bash to Chester instead. Got back into Piccadilly at about 8pm and there was a Liverpool bound 319 pulling away from platform 14 
My point was that 'other MU types with failures are available'.
I imagine that there will be the same complaints from Thameslink regulars when the 387s and 377s that they usually managed to get the 2+2 seating on are taken away and they experience the wide open spaces of the 700s. And there are even some who prefer the 319s to the Electrostars anyway so when the 319s go they will regret their departure.
The 319s are no stranger to 90-100mph running which wouldn't be an issue if the electric timetable expects them to exploit the line's 90mph clearances. If the 319s are deemd to be to long legged for very short spaced station stops, and new trains aren't likely for a while, then to be available 313s/317s would be more suitable if the L-W-M line has a mixed service. The PEP designs' lack of toilets wouldn't be so much of an issue if faster services were available at interchange stations.
Well you have to ask is it cheaper in the long term to build and maintain toilets at the main stations or to keep them on trains. In the past it was decided in the North that toilets on trains was more cost effective with many station toilets got demolished.
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Still just the two out there. Should be on....
0616,0716,0916,1215,1416,1516,1713,1814 Liverpool-Man Air and 0735,0840,1040,1340,1540,1640,1840,1940 Man Air-Liverpool
I'm aboard the 1516 LIV - MIA. Couple of issues with the primitive-ish PIS, including '...please as your conductor as he passes through the train Smoking,...'. Also a bit strange that it announces it as a Northern Electrics service. I'm generally of the view that marketing and passenger information should be kept separate!
Otherwise looking forward to the ride whoever asked before it looks to me like new anti-scratch film has been applied.
Neil the light is nice and warm yellow on 363 not like FGW HST particularly.
Whoever said about the door handles being ratger broken and difficult to open and close I agree they're in need of replacement doors in some cases judging by some of them!
"Please take all your personal belongings and hand luggage with you." - since when do Railway passengers have check-in luggage!?
Does anyone else thibk the auto-announcer sounds like on the Central line? Maybe again it's to do with the primitive ish nature ofbtje speakers? The voice wave patterns are also really really badly aligned for some announcements.
Nice and fast up the hill from Wavertree, 85 through Broad Green and coming up for 90 around Huyton. Definitely made it there by the Motorway bridge for an unbelievably satisfying sprint to St Helens Jn.
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Muchas gracias!
Otherwise looking forward to the ride whoever asked before it looks to me like new anti-scratch film has been applied.
Neil the light is nice and warm yellow on 363 not like FGW HST particularly.
Whoever said about the door handles being ratger broken and difficult to open and close I agree they're in need of replacement doors in some cases judging by some of them!
"Please take all your personal belongings and hand luggage with you." - since when do Railway passengers have check-in luggage!?
Does anyone else thibk the auto-announcer sounds like on the Central line? Maybe again it's to do with the primitive ish nature ofbtje speakers? The voice wave patterns are also really really badly aligned for some announcements.
Nice and fast up the hill from Wavertree, 85 through Broad Green and coming up for 90 around Huyton. Definitely made it there by the Motorway bridge for an unbelievably satisfying sprint to St Helens Jn.
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Muchas gracias!
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Had the pleasure of that nasty 150+142 combo on the 1416!
Update now on Northern Class 319's - currently there are 8 units in the area.
As far as I am aware these are the current status of "Northern" Livery units.
319361 - awaiting some internal fittings but being used on "Driver Training"
319362 - apparently now awaiting further repairs??
319363 - In traffic
319364 - complete
319365 - complete
319380 - awaiting some internal fittings.
319366 - Thameslink livery - Driver Training (Preston)
319379 - Thameslink livery - Driver Training (Stockport)
As far as I am aware these are the current status of "Northern" Livery units.
319361 - awaiting some internal fittings but being used on "Driver Training"
319362 - apparently now awaiting further repairs??
319363 - In traffic
319364 - complete
319365 - complete
319380 - awaiting some internal fittings.
319366 - Thameslink livery - Driver Training (Preston)
319379 - Thameslink livery - Driver Training (Stockport)
LNW-GW Joint
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I was on the previous 1355 MAN-LIV working of this unit today.
363 was certainly in better nick than 362 on Monday (now out of traffic).
Braking was almost silent, as you would expect.
I agree with all the comments about the audio PIS.
The female voice is new to me and has a rather light "optimistic" tone.
Unfortunately every "station stop" gets "this is a Northern Electrics service", "remember to collect all your baggage" and "take care when leaving the train" nonsense.
Looks like Norman Baker's exhortation to "cut the chat" fell on deaf ears.
It was very wet on my leg, and 363 suffered considerable wheel-slip accelerating from Ordsall Lane, Newton le Willows and St Helens Jn.
Water was also coming in at the carriage join.
The windows looked un-scratched to me.
We were also held up at Astley and Parkside, probably having caught up the previous ATW 175.
Looks like they have plenty of time in hand, even on slippy days.
I have spotted a 156 on the 1804 Chester - Manchester via Stockport which should please Jcollins 
Significant relative comfort compared to the 319 run I'm afraid :/ In some ways it's almost better than the ATW loco hauled set I just came off. Hopefully the 1955 from Piccadilly will be the apparently same 319 as earlier again then.
Here's a shot of it at Lime St:
Significant relative comfort compared to the 319 run I'm afraid :/ In some ways it's almost better than the ATW loco hauled set I just came off. Hopefully the 1955 from Piccadilly will be the apparently same 319 as earlier again then.Here's a shot of it at Lime St:
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Especially as I will be taking the 17:13 home from Liverpool tomorrow, which last Thursday & Friday was a 319.
I have spotted a 156 on the 1804 Chester - Manchester via Stockport which should please Jcollins
The last two Mid-Cheshire services I caught were Merseyrail Pacers.
A 156 on the 18:04 Chester-Manchester is strange. I noticed a 150 filled in for the usual 156 on the 12:17 Manchester-Chester today, so it's possibly a case of the wrong Sprinters being on the wrong diagrams.
Significantly more comforting to see a 156 on a Mid-Cheshire service. A 319 would only manage Piccadilly-Edgley Junction.
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hairyhandedfool
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Gonna be fun on the stopping trains in May then.....
PHILIPE
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Probably be allocated during the night.
Kite159
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Time to go 319 hunting next weekend when in Manchester
Will the 323s (and the 321s/322s/333s around Leeds) be rebranded as "Northern Electrics"?
Will the 323s (and the 321s/322s/333s around Leeds) be rebranded as "Northern Electrics"?
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Don't trouble yourself, 319's not booked to run on a weekend!Time to go 319 hunting next weekend when in Manchester
Will the 323s (and the 321s/322s/333s around Leeds) be rebranded as "Northern Electrics"?
hairyhandedfool
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MD says it's just the 319s.
Kite159
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That be a shame
DJH1971
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As I found out....
61653 HTAFC
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I assume this is temporary, until there are enough units in traffic, crews trained, etc.?
martynbristow
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I think it's wigan and Manchester crewes that need to be trained
61653 HTAFC
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Of course, hence the sets at Stockport and Preston for static training. Any idea when Weekend running will start? As it's easier to get over on a Saturday...
samuelmorris
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First time I used one of the 319s on Thameslink with PRM-TSI modifications installed. Disabled loo looks the part, the door sounders are annoying as expected but do the job, but the PIS... ugh. I don't understand how you can get that so wrong after all this time! I am going to be polite and assume the fact all it says is 'welcome to this Thameslink service' because they haven't programmed them up yet, but the bezel covers up the top pixel most of the way across, so the dots of the letter i are invisible apart from at the outer edges, and it's sufficiently bright that it's a bit difficult to read (a problem I've found with the 387 PIS too tbf, but at least that is otherwise functional). I'm surprised after all this time PIS systems are still so inconsistent and low-quality, but there you go
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