I presume that's one of the reasons that it's marked as set down only. I think the last train west from Llanelli is similarly marked, though it never runs early!
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23.00 London Euston-Man picc why run it?
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I presume that's one of the reasons that it's marked as set down only. I think the last train west from Llanelli is similarly marked, though it never runs early!
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The OP is not expressing an opinion but asking a question.
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The OP is not making a complaint, but asking a question.
I agree. give him a break! Nowhere did he say the service should be withdrawn.
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Why? you have got 2N33 and 2N35 from LM which leave Euston later and stop and also 9G49 from Virgin? It would be set down only anyway.
The OP is on the train and I'm guessing you're not. So they have more of a claim to the facts of the situation than you do. Furthermore the OP has made no suggestion that the service wants to be scrapped. They merely want to know the rationale behind running it.
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Wow, someone asking an innocent question getting seemingly interrogated before people can put words in his mouth. What a pleasant forum
Quite, it's a legitimate question. Lighten up folks.
extendedpaul
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The 23.00 is also the sole megatrain service between London, Macclesfield, Stoke, Stockport and Manchester - nothing in the other direction. Monday to Thursday only.
Tickets rarely go above £9 and there are at least four @ £1 each day
Tickets rarely go above £9 and there are at least four @ £1 each day
Xenophon PCDGS
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You certainly have chosen a country here that I would not have considered. The service from Helsinki Central to Turku does conjoin two of the large settlement areas in Finland.
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tocguard
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I bet the traincrew don't mind that job! I imagine they'll get paid the hours it would take should it have to run slow/take diversions even if if ends up running fast!
How can anyone complain why they run the 23:00 Euston to Manchester just because not many people are on it after two trips? The train is perfect for when visiting family in London you have a choice of a nice quiet late train home. Between the two main and biggest English Cities and the time it takes on a train these days im actually surprised there isn't a 24 hour rail service.
Err..........I don't think anybody is complaining and I agree about a 24 hour service
DaleCooper
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Is Manchester bigger than Birmingham now?
Cherry_Picker
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The guy is from Manchester. He's probably just referencing that London is bigger than Birmingham.
Tetchytyke
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Dunno, but there's a 2330 Virgin service from Euston to Wolverhampton, which is even better.
I'm sure you're right about the crew getting home and, as others have suggested when talking about it otherwise running as ecs, to get the train up to Manchester to operate a morning peak service back to London.
There are six Euston services out of Piccadilly from 05.55 to 07.00, before the 20-minute frequency kicks in at 07.15, and the first service from Euston isn't into Piccadilly until 08.28, so they need a lot of 390s available in Manchester first thing.
DaleCooper
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That means eventually Manchester will be empty.
craigybagel
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Can't speak for that train but I used to work the 2230 and 2330 Wolverhampton services regularly as a VT CSA. Trying to stay awake when all your passengers are sleep and there's not much to do as you trundle down the slow lines could be a challenge! At the time, the 2330 was part of a diagram that also included working the 1900 EUS-BHM, often the busiest West Mids service of the day so you were pretty wrecked when you got back to Wolves. At the time though there were no set down stops so you got in after 0200 every night.
merlodlliw
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I agree, although Manchester(Salford) is now home to the BBC in Media city,most will be travelling to the smoke in the morning, this also includes smaller cities like Cardiff & Chester etc.Im sure the last train leaves Paddington for Swansea at 10pm and a good few trains depart Swansea for London in the early hours.
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berneyarms
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On every route you are always going to have some services that will carry fewer passengers than others.
They are essentially positioning moves to get trains and crew in place to start the service the next day, and this will always be the case.
But to be fair, looking at the main Intercity routes out of London, there are late evening services on most of them - it is part of providing a public service, facilitating anyone who may have come up to see a show for example.
Some examples are:
Liverpool St - Norwich: 23:30
Kings X - Leeds: 23:30
St Pancras - Nottingham & Derby: 23:15
St Pancras - Leicester: 00:15
Euston - Manchester: 23:00
Euston - Wolverhampton: 23:30
Marylebone - Birmingham New St: 23:07
Paddington - Bristol Temple Meads & Cardiff: 23:30
They are essentially positioning moves to get trains and crew in place to start the service the next day, and this will always be the case.
But to be fair, looking at the main Intercity routes out of London, there are late evening services on most of them - it is part of providing a public service, facilitating anyone who may have come up to see a show for example.
Some examples are:
Liverpool St - Norwich: 23:30
Kings X - Leeds: 23:30
St Pancras - Nottingham & Derby: 23:15
St Pancras - Leicester: 00:15
Euston - Manchester: 23:00
Euston - Wolverhampton: 23:30
Marylebone - Birmingham New St: 23:07
Paddington - Bristol Temple Meads & Cardiff: 23:30
berneyarms
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Well DfT still spec the service requirements so it does still exist!
That 2330 service is still the same http://www.virgintrains.co.uk/assets/pdf/timetables/vt-timetable-ab-12-2014.pdf
I suppose we're quite lucky here in that we can leave Cardiff after 2330 and Swansea at 0045 on weekdays. This is because of trains heading to Carmarthen to stable overnight, but it is much better than many places that are off the main London lines.
Bit pointless running six trains between 0600 and 0700 considering the early hour in the morning and the peak price of a ticket nobody is going to use these services apart from Business managers. Trains would be better of use if they ran a couple of later services after 2115 and reduced the morning peak.
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