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Taking photos at Waterloo station, is it illegal?!

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Aictos

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Take Blackfriars vs St Pancras Int with both sets of platforms manned by GTR now I've had time between trains at these stations waiting for my next train so about 5 to 10 mins, at St Pancras Int the approach is stay within the guidelines no worries, Blackfriars approach is Oh no you HAVE to sign in.

So you see it can vary greatly between stations the approach that that station's staff takes towards photographers even these who are literally changing between trains.
 

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It probably also varies depending who's working at a station on a particular day. One person might take one approach while another takes a different one.

The ironical thing is that if you were to take someone claiming that railway photography is illegal to the station bookstall / bookshop, you could show him shelves full of railway books and magazines, all full of railway photographs!
 

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Are my eyes deceiving me?!

Is this someone falling off and having a narrow escape, or even worse was he deliberately positioning himself down there to get a unique angle?

Either way..... well, that's it now isn't it? Game over.

Judging by one of the YT comments he slipped as one of the coaches was going passed.
 

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And if he did, look at the throng of fellow enthusiasts scampering to assist him......

I did the the same, I am only guessing that the vast majority were not yet aware of the accident / incident. The poster of the video pointed out in the comments that he wasn't aware of the incident until someone pointed it out in the comments.

I am reminded of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHmF7_bNHa0
 

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I did the the same, I am only guessing that the vast majority were not yet aware of the accident / incident. The poster of the video pointed out in the comments that he wasn't aware of the incident until someone pointed it out in the comments.

I can understand it from the poster of the video, yes, but not the handful of people stood around him desperate to get their own shots.
 

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Judging by one of the YT comments he slipped as one of the coaches was going passed.

Just had a read through them - did he really go down the gap? It looks in the video as if he was down the ramp rather than on the platform? ( unless he crawled along to there? )
 

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These types of incident make me wonder if there are some people who should never be employed in jobs (on rail, or elsewhere) that bring them into contact with the general public / customers.

Like the gateline staff at Blackpool North you mean?
:D:D
 

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Surely the increased use (and quality) of cameraphones should greatly reduce the problem... I bet most people can loose a decent shot off now without the jobsworths ever knowing.

Best invention ever, you can photograph whatever you want without ever being hassled by a jobsworth:D
 
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I do find it odd that someone at Waterloo would have a problem, especially at a station that close to Clapham Junction. I've seen plenty of pictures taken there and have taken a few myself. South West Trains and East Coast staff probably see the most spotters I'd think because of the stations they serve. Never had a problem on SWT, Southern or anywhere on the NR network actually.

The only place I've been asked to stop was on the DLR! According to him I was allowed to take of the station, but not on the platform...
 
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I'd like to know the link between people taking photographs of trains and terrorist attacks? Was it a factor in 7/7, 9/11, or the recent attacks in France? Slowly but surely our individual liberties are being chipped away in the name of "security".
 

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I'd like to know the link between people taking photographs of trains and terrorist attacks? Was it a factor in 7/7, 9/11, or the recent attacks in France? Slowly but surely our individual liberties are being chipped away in the name of "security".

The Madrid bombers were widely reported to have used photo reconnaissance. I suspect there are in fact very few, if any planned terrorist incidents that do not involve quite a bit of planning.

BUT

What liberty have you lost? Serious question. With the continued exception of the staff at Blackpool North not letting you on platforms until after the train you wanted has actually departed, the only liberty I can think that has been lost in the hobby is the ability to bunk depots, "cab" locos at stations and I suspect name plate rubbing would be met with cries of "Oiiii" nowadays.

I can still go anywhere in the country I want on whatever train i want. I can get off at any station and stay as long as I want and take as many pictures that I want.

Anyone who used to go to Stevenage to spot in the 1980s will tell you that your liberties have been positively thrown to the four winds since the ATOC / BTP guidelines came in.

Have we lost our liberties or are people just so intolerant of being asked to carry a piece of paper when they feel they have the god given right to do as they please without any accountability?
 

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When it comes to signing in at Waterloo. Network Rail are a bit tricky infact more tricky than Liverpool Street
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Like the gateline staff at Blackpool North you mean?
:D:D

Been there 11 times now. Signed in no bother and got on the platforms. One supervisor does give out a hi viz jacket. Again it really depends who is in charge on the day
 

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I went to Waterloo last Friday and for once signing in was easy. Just asked and straight away was given a badge, signed the book and was on the platform in less than 2 minutes. I think it really depends who is behind the desk on the day.
 

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At Blackpool North and Farringdon I've experienced members of staff arguing amongst themselves because of my desire to use my camera. In both cases a superior overheard me asking if it was OK to use my camera and being refused, and then over-ruled their junior member of staff. Then the arguing between them started... with the superior pulling rank.

Simon
 
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Couple of instances stand out for me.
I asked for access to the platforms at Bedford once. Initially asked for a platform ticket, but the clerk said "just ask at the barrier". The gateline operative let me through, but ordered me to sit on the bench just inside the gate where he could see me. Pointless as a vantage point for photos, so I left the station and went elsewhere.

Was stopped at Chester early one morning, having photographed the old signage and architecture on the old platform next to P1. Was told I could not take pictures of that area because it was a secure area. OWN GOAL! I did not know that was a secure area, but I do now, and so would a terrorist if he had been stopped.

I asked about taking photos at Paddington once and was told that I would have to have a safety briefing and wear PPE. "I order to stand in a public part of the station on the same piece of tarmac as I would if boarding the train I was photographing" I said. "Yes" he said, to which I said "Don't bother" and left.

Was challenged at Wokingham a couple of years back, for taking a photo of the new building. The member of staff started quoting all sorts of excuses, even when I produced the NR guidelines, saying that I needed written permission. When I took a trip to Weymouth a few weeks later, I (out of spite) wrote a letters to SWT asking for permission to take photographs at Basingstoke, Winchester, Southampton Central, Bournemouth and Weymouth stations.

Love the bit about challenging the "illegal" jobsworth with a magazine full of railway photos, will have to keep a copy of RAIL in my bag for the next time that happens!
 

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Paddington was the station where I was accused of pretending to be a police officer, because I'd shown a member of staff a press badge. She'd read it as police (she spoke very little English) and then gone off to seek advice - so more staff came over asking to see my suspicious warrant card...

I was at the station for a press event for Heathrow Express, so there were loads of journalists milling about taking photos. Many with somewhat larger cameras than I had, including TV broadcast cameras!
 
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