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Effect of strike on Tuesday 26 May?

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Arctic Troll said:
...and my TOC, to whom I've just given £450 for a month's ticket, are only going to offer compensation by Delay Repay. Delay Repay is, according to the T&Cs, only offered based on the emergency timetable.

Of that list, FGW, SWT and TPE are not actually saying what compensation will be offered. EMT state if you are "unable" to travel (does this mean people who choose not to travel?). Only ATW are promising extra validity.

So, as you were.
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First you say its Force Majeure when it's not, then you nitpick over what's being offered. You're original blanket assertion that Season Ticket holders will not be getting any compensation/days is incorrect.

Who's T&Cs state Delay Repay is only offered based on the 'emergency timetable'?
 
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bnm said:
First you say its Force Majeure when it's not, then you nitpick over what's being offered. You're original blanket assertion that Season Ticket holders will not be getting any compensation/days is incorrect.

Who's T&Cs state Delay Repay is only offered based on the 'emergency timetable'?
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They don't have moral obligations, just obligations to their shareholders.

Passengers / commuters can expect nothing from TOC's over this.
 
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bnm said:
First you say its Force Majeure when it's not, then you nitpick over what's being offered. You're original blanket assertion that Season Ticket holders will not be getting any compensation/days is incorrect.
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Strike action is usually considered to be force majeure.

Some TOCs have offered more than I expected, and credit to them for that. However most are not getting compensation if they choose not to travel; of your list, only Arriva Trains Wales have confirmed they will add two days' validity to the ticket.

Who's T&Cs state Delay Repay is only offered based on the 'emergency timetable'?
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London Midland say:
If we are running an emergency timetable, your claim will be based on the revised times.
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Great Northern and Thameslink say:
If we run an advertised emergency timetable, we will base
your entitlement to compensation on that timetable.
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Abellio Greater Anglia say:
In the event that an emergency timetable is introduced, compensation
entitlements will be based on that emergency timetable.
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CrossCountry say:
In the event that we introduce an emergency timetable, compensation will be based on the emergency timetable.
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TPE and Northern won't accept claims that are "outside of their control". I'm sure the other Delay Repay claims say the same thing.
 
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Passengers / commuters can expect nothing from TOC's over this.
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And that's in spite of many TOCs already outlining compensation arrangements ahead of the strike is it? :roll:
 
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bnm said:
And that's in spite of many TOCs already outlining compensation arrangements ahead of the strike is it? :roll:
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Lets see what actually happens, I would imagine they will run just enough trains to avoid compensation if possible.
 
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Arriva Trains Wales have announced what they will run on 25/26 May if the strike goes ahead: http://www.arrivatrainswales.co.uk/IndustrialAction/

On Monday, all services will start to wind down from 14:30. Nothing after 17:00. Some routes will have no service at all. Similar story on Tuesday.

I think they are the first TOC to give out specific details of services, unless I've missed an announcement elsewhere?
 
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I've received this via email from ScotRail in the last fifteen minutes. Looks like their timetable will be up from tomorrow.

ScotRail said:
Dear Chrism20

UK-Wide Rail Strike next Monday and Tuesday - Time to Take Action

As you may have seen reported in the media over the past few days, the RMT Union are planning a UK-Wide rail strike next Monday and Tuesday. If it goes ahead, this will cause severe disruption to most journeys across Scotland.

We are finalising which services we will be able to run on the days of the industrial action and will be publishing these on http://www.scotrail.co.uk as early as tomorrow.

The time to take action is now. Please visit our website daily between now and the strike to make sure you have the latest information. Also, get registered with our free JourneyCheck alert service and download our app.

We know just how inconvenient it can be when you are not able to travel using your normal service. We are absolutely committed to giving you information as soon as we have it so that you can make alternative arrangements wherever possible.

The ScotRail team
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M28361M said:
Arriva Trains Wales have announced what they will run on 25/26 May if the strike goes ahead: http://www.arrivatrainswales.co.uk/IndustrialAction/

On Monday, all services will start to wind down from 14:30. Nothing after 17:00. Some routes will have no service at all. Similar story on Tuesday.

I think they are the first TOC to give out specific details of services, unless I've missed an announcement elsewhere?
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As expected it's basically a 24 hour strike that effects 48 hours.

Not sure why there are no services in Wales on Tuesday evening though?
 
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Andyh82 said:
As expected it's basically a 24 hour strike that effects 48 hours.

Not sure why there are no services in Wales on Tuesday evening though?
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Depends on the shift changeover times of the boxes affected.

Some staff may not book on until around 21:00 or later.
 
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This is a kind of hypothetical question, but let's say Monday's strike goes ahead, things still haven't been sorted out, and another strike is called. What's the earliest do you think that might happen? I'm supposed to be in Edinburgh for four nights from the 8th, and I'm slightly worried that I might be affected if this isn't sorted by then
 
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bnm said:
Wrong. A selection of TOC's Industrial Action updates:

South West Trains:


First Great Western:


Arriva Trains Wales:


East Midlands Trains:


London Midland:


Transpennine Express:
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Indeed, as expected. I do wonder what school of non-customer service "Arctic Troll" trained in.;)
 
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M28361M said:
On Monday, all services will start to wind down from 14:30. Nothing after 17:00. Some routes will have no service at all. Similar story on Tuesday.
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ATW's main worry on the Monday will probably be not having hordes of day trippers stuck in places like Rhyl and Barry Island having had several refreshments and not being able to get home! I would guess that those routes with no service at all (Wrexham-Bidston was the main one I noticed) are at least in part dependent on stock and crews working back to the depot in the evening- the Bank Holiday service on the Wrexham line is just the single 150 working back and forth all day, so presumably in the normal course of events this would scoot off back to Chester or Shrewsbury after the last journey was done.

Interesting that they seem to be trying to offer a morning peak service of sorts into Cardiff but finishing before the end of the afternoon- I guess that's not a bad way of discouraging people from travelling, and does allow for some connections into the hourly Paddington service that's mentioned.
 
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A-driver said:
Unions have no gripe with the travelling public although disrupting then is almost always unavoidable. Unions try to create maximum disruption on the employer.
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Total nonsense. If that is the case, why have they timed the strike at a point when the railway is at its busiest, when people are returning from a bank holiday weekend? The employer is Network Rail, surely if they wanted to disrupt them they would have the strike over the weekend itself when major engineering work is taking place.
The unions may not have a gripe with the travelling public, but when it comes to industrial disputes they certainly don't give a toss about them.
 
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D1009 said:
Total nonsense. If that is the case, why have they timed the strike at a point when the railway is at its busiest, when people are returning from a bank holiday weekend? The employer is Network Rail, surely if they wanted to disrupt them they would have the strike over the weekend itself when major engineering work is taking place.

The unions may not have a gripe with the travelling public, but when it comes to industrial disputes they certainly don't give a toss about them.
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No, they don't care about the public as that isn't what they are paid for. They are there to represent their members-those who pay their subs to them-and that is what they do, and do very, very well.

I think you'll find that to cause maximum disruption they would strike on weekdays during the peak. A bank holiday is not the busiest time and it will mainly mean holiday travellers will be affected rather than business travellers.

But the RMT are not hoping to upset as many passengers as possible, they are looking to maximise problems for the employer, NR, which is why TT choose the bank holiday. It sets all the engineering plans into chaos and may mean NR have to cancel most of them.
 
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A-driver said:
I think you'll find that to cause maximum disruption they would strike on weekdays during the peak.
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Since when has Tueday morning not been the peak?

Alos, is it my imagination or has the potential disruption of this strike largely being ignored by the media?
 
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westv said:
Since when has Tueday morning not been the peak?



Alos, is it my imagination or has the potential disruption of this strike largely being ignored by the media?
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But Tuesday evening peak to Wednesday morning peak would cause more disruption. Bank holiday Monday will be quieter than the peaks in many urban lines.
 
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A-driver said:
I think you'll find that to cause maximum disruption they would strike on weekdays during the peak. A bank holiday is not the busiest time and it will mainly mean holiday travellers will be affected rather than business travellers.
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Sorry, but Tuesday is a weekday, and a normal working day, and the strike covers the morning peak.
 
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I imagine the effect will be considerable as it will affect a large number of people. :)
 
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A-driver said:
But Tuesday evening peak to Wednesday morning peak would cause more disruption. Bank holiday Monday will be quieter than the peaks in many urban lines.
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The service will be affected from roughly the following times
12 hour boxes from about 1800 Monday and nothing run until 1800 Tuesday, and for general 8 hour boxes, shut down at 2200 Monday, with no start up until 2200 Tuesday
What is different about this one from 1994 is that the TSSA are involved, and they are moderates, so that MUST ring alarm bells with some ? and also Maintainance are involved too, so any faults that crop up will not be attended to.
 
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How is all of this going to be co-ordinated?

What would happen, for instance, if the network was still full of trains in motion at the allotted time, that had set off before the strike began?
 
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How is all of this going to be co-ordinated?

What would happen, for instance, if the network was still full of trains in motion at the allotted time, that had set off before the strike began?
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With emergency timetables so the trains are put to bed in time.
 
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Changes to Grand Central services

As access to the rail network will be very restricted during the period of industrial action we regret that Grand Central will only be able to operate a reduced service on Bank Holiday Monday 25 May 2015 and unable to run any train services on Tuesday 26 May 2015.

The following services are expected to operate on Monday 25 May 2015;

0645 Sunderland – London Kings Cross
0752 Bradford -London Kings Cross
0802 London Kings Cross – Sunderland
0842 Sunderland – London Kings Cross
1021 Bradford – London Kings Cross
1048 London Kings Cross – Bradford (i)
1121 London Kings Cross – Sunderland
1253 London Kings Cross – Darlington (ii)

(i) This train will leave London Kings Cross later, at 1125
(ii) This service will terminate at Darlington and will not call at Eaglescliffe, Hartlepool and Sunderland. Passengers should alight at Darlington for a rail replacement coach service to Hartlepool and Sunderland and for a Northern Rail connection to Eaglescliffe.

The following Grand Central services are expected to be cancelled on Monday 25 May 2015;

06 55 Bradford Interchange - London Kings Cross
1433 Bradford Interchange - London Kings Cross
1228 Sunderland - London Kings Cross
1518 Sunderland - London Kings Cross
1731 Sunderland - London Kings Cross
1448 London Kings Cross - Bradford Interchange
1603 London Kings Cross - Bradford Interchange
1952 London Kings Cross - Bradford Interchange
1650 London Kings Cross - Sunderland
1918 London Kings Cross - Sunderland

Tuesday 26 May 2015

We regret that we are unable to operate any of our advertised services on both routes on Tuesday 26 May 2015.
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Link: http://www.grandcentralrail.com/tra...on-bank-holiday-monday-25-and-tuesday-26-may/
 
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ADRboy said:
With emergency timetables so the trains are put to bed in time.
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Emergency timetables that the TOC has to deploy, though, rather than anything enforceable by the union? Essentially, that makes it more than a 24 hour strike as services would have to stop long before time.

As their employer, couldn't the TOCs simply instruct their staff to carry out their normal duties right up to the minute before the strike was due to begin?

What would happen in that instance?
 
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Camden said:
Emergency timetables that the TOC has to deploy, though, rather than anything enforceable by the union? Essentially, that makes it more than a 24 hour strike as services would have to stop long before time.

As their employer, couldn't the TOCs simply instruct their staff to carry out their normal duties right up to the minute before the strike was due to begin?

What would happen in that instance?
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Come 1700ish (depending on shift change), the signallers would go home, all the signals would revert to danger, and your traincrews would be stranded in the arse end of nowhere.
 
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