Eurostar e320 / Class 374 "Velaro"

MCR247 · 6 Jun 2015

They'd probably have to do some massive power upgrades on the GEML for it to cope with 373s

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Olaf · 6 Jun 2015

jopsuk said:
I can't see anyone else wanting a small fleet of complicated, 400m long, British loading gauge high speed trains that have been worked hard for over 20 years.

Are n't they being preserved so that they can be deployed to HS3 when that opens so as to keep Northern moaners fully employed into their retirement?

cjmillsnun · 6 Jun 2015

hulabaloo said:
It sounds to me that running and maintaining a 373 for domestic use would be not be cost-effective at all.

It's not. If it was, the NoL sets would've been in demand. As it was, GNER ditched them as soon as they could get away with them. Only SNCF wanted them and they're ditching them now.

Alfie1014 · 7 Jun 2015

dave12435 said:
Is it just me or does it seem to make sense that they are going to be coming out of service and AGA has recently been quoted as saying they want to eventually replace the Mark 3 coaches and 90s. ( even though they are going to be refurbed just to a slightly limited scope compared to some MK3 refurbs)
Those 373s could be shortened and cascaded with modifications etc far cheaper than a brand new train and they are already correct loading gauge for geml, as its wide enough for the larger containers

373s are probably the most inappropriate train for the GE. The lack of capacity has already been mentioned, but simply don't have the ability to accelerate quickly enough at slower speeds. 373s are the marathon runner of the railways whereas the GE needs sprinters that can can accelerate quickly, with distributed power.

34D · 7 Jun 2015

Is it correct that all the LOL 373/3 sets have been scrapped now?

Peter Mugridge · 7 Jun 2015

34D said:
Is it correct that all the NoL 373/3 sets have been scrapped now?

No, those are for the most part still in store - probably already in the scrap line somewhere though.

It's the three full length 373s that SNCF used domestically that have already been scrapped - apart from the trailers from one of them which are being used to test refurbished power cars.

AM9 · 7 Jun 2015

Alfie1014 said:
373s are probably the most inappropriate train for the GE. The lack of capacity has already been mentioned, but simply don't have the ability to accelerate quickly enough at slower speeds. 373s are the marathon runner of the railways whereas the GE needs sprinters that can can accelerate quickly, with distributed power.

So they need a lot of 150/156s? Northern are a good source.

BananaRepublic · 7 Jun 2015

Peter Mugridge said:
No, those are for the most part still in store - probably already in the scrap line somewhere though.

According to the SNCF Society back in January, the NoL's have been moved to Amberieu pending disposal.
They also said that the spare half set was still at La Chapelle at the end of December, but this may have been moved now.

Peter Sarf · 12 Jun 2015

I went past Temple Mills last night - about 21:30 and could only see one pair of 374s (one train) rather than three pairs. It was alongside the long shed but only just visible beyond a parked pair of 373s.

As I have usually seen two pairs late morning or three pairs on my rare late evening passings I assume two pairs (maybe only one pair) were out to play on HS1.

55z · 12 Jun 2015

The 100 mph is the speed limit for eurostars whilst the Eurotunnel shuttles are 80 mph am not sure as to the reasoning. The height of the overhead wires vary - there is the British domestic, the LGV's (including HS1), French domestic (25kv & 1.5 kv) Eurotunnel height (which is considerably higher) and any other country that the trains will operate in. The pantograph height tolerances are constrained depending on which system they are operating on. So going into the Channel tunnel the pantograph is dropped reconfigured and raised again to go through the tunnel and similarly on the other side.

Peter Mugridge · 12 Jun 2015

Why are the Euroshuttles restricted to 80mph anyway when the locomotives are designed and rated for 100mph; does the rolling stock have a lower restriction?

D365 · 12 Jun 2015

Peter Mugridge said:
Why are the Euroshuttles restricted to 80mph anyway when the locomotives are designed and rated for 100mph; does the rolling stock have a lower restriction?

The complete train is designed for 100mph. Does the lower service speed allow for recovery time, or to save on excessive wear to the rolling stock?

SpacePhoenix · 13 Jun 2015

Peter Mugridge said:
Why are the Euroshuttles restricted to 80mph anyway when the locomotives are designed and rated for 100mph; does the rolling stock have a lower restriction?

How much difference would that 20mph make to the amount of power that the train draws from the overhead?

DownSouth · 13 Jun 2015

SpacePhoenix said:
How much difference would that 20mph make to the amount of power that the train draws from the overhead?

Over 50% more.

The energy required to accelerate from a stand to cruising speed is proportional to the square of the cruising speed, as is the simplest form of aerodynamic forces affecting the train.

Peter Mugridge · 13 Jun 2015

DownSouth said:
Over 50% more.

The energy required to accelerate from a stand to cruising speed is proportional to the square of the cruising speed, as is the simplest form of aerodynamic forces affecting the train.

Does that take into account the long downwards gradients when entering the tunnel?

cjmillsnun · 13 Jun 2015

Peter Mugridge said:
Does that take into account the long downwards gradients when entering the tunnel?

and the long upwards gradients leaving it... Yes, it would.

TheJRB · 24 Jun 2015

Well I'm surprised that it's me that's putting it on here first :lol:

but the e320 has escaped in daylight hours today!

I was on the 09:43 from Ashford and passed what was unmistakably an e320 on a test trip to Paris. It also worked up from Paris earlier in the morning. It doesn't look like any photos have appeared yet though.

jon0844 · 24 Jun 2015

I bet if it ended up full of migrants at Calais it would wind up in at least one paper!

Electrostar · 24 Jun 2015

This picture appeared on Twitter earlier of the set at St Pancras.(Not mine)

https://twitter.com/mattjuler/status/613613723035533312

asylumxl · 24 Jun 2015

Electrostar said:
This picture appeared on Twitter earlier of the set at St Pancras.(Not mine)

https://twitter.com/mattjuler/status/613613723035533312

OMG you mean they actually move?!

FlippyFF · 25 Aug 2015

A 374, possibly, 018 has just left St Pancras P10 at 19:15.

Htioi

Simon

Peter Mugridge · 25 Aug 2015

Yes, 4017/8 did a test run from St Pancras to Paris and back earlier today using the existing paths for service numbers 9020 out and 9041 back.

Probably just moving back to Temple Mills

glbotu · 26 Aug 2015

So, did it run in passenger service?

southern442 · 26 Aug 2015

MCR247 said:
They'd probably have to do some massive power upgrades on the GEML for it to cope with 373s

I have an idea, why don't we get Vivarail to convert the carriages into low-cost DMU's for Northern! :lol:

MCR247 · 26 Aug 2015

glbotu said:
So, did it run in passenger service?

The words "test run" in the post above yours suggest not

glbotu · 26 Aug 2015

MCR247 said:
The words "test run" in the post above yours suggest not

But the post above said it used up paths for 9O20 and 9I41. Those are in service paths aren't they (because they become 9020 and 9141 service numbers in France)?

eastwestdivide · 26 Aug 2015

9O20, the 1047 from St Pancras, at realtimetrains: http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/J25516/2015/08/25/advanced
is down as STP (short term planning),
and the 1047 isn't in the Eurostar public PDF timetable at http://www.eurostar.com/sites/default/files/pdf/timetable/UK_timetable.pdf

MCR247 · 26 Aug 2015

glbotu said:
But the post above said it used up paths for 9O20 and 9I41. Those are in service paths aren't they (because they become 9020 and 9141 service numbers in France)?

http://www.eurostar.com/sites/default/files/pdf/timetable/UK_timetable.pdf

Peter Mugridge · 26 Aug 2015

Just to be clear: Eurostar use existing paths with which they aren't currently running a timetabled service for their tests, crew training and any positioning moves. They keep the same reporting number when they do this.

Julian G · 28 Aug 2015

4017/18 went to Brussels and back yesterday.

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