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Surely it would be cheaper to just jack the existing bridge up and re-do the stairs to match the new height? Or does the cost of integrating the lifts prove to be the killer factor?

It's one of the best looking examples anywhere on the network as well as being an original GWR structure.
 
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Yes, I believe (according to the company newsletter) that the works shall be beginning soon. Installation of lifts will also be commencing at the same time. I'll be odd and a bit sad to see the old footbridge go. Been using it since I was a kid. My Great Aunt used to have a flat that overlooked it. Used to watch the trains going through the station out of the bedroom window when I was very little. Still, it's got to be done!

I have to agree, I was lucky enough to have an uncle who worked the Signalbox there( you can guess his name:D ) and used to spend saturday mornings sitting in the box watching him work. great fun.
 

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I'm guessing you are on the eastern (Crossrail) section.
Maybe supplies are organised differently to the Amey stuff further west.
The logistics sound like a nightmare.

Nope that is the Amey stuff, but I believe changes are afoot to address the problems:D:D
 

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Did a turn from Newport to Paddington today to view electrification progress.
The main surprise was finding at least 2 mast bases (maybe more, the differing line levels make it difficult to see some of the route) installed just east of Pilning on the climb out of the Severn Tunnel.
These are the only bases installed west of Wootton Bassett on the Badminton route.
This is not where I expected the current priority to be.
More when I have sorted my notes out.
 
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Did a turn from Newport to Paddington today to view electrification progress.
The main surprise was finding at least 2 mast bases (maybe more, the differing line levels make it difficult to see some of the route) installed just east of Pilning on the climb out of the Severn Tunnel.
These are the only bases installed west of Wootton Bassett on the Badminton route.
This is not where I expected the current priority to be.
More when I have sorted my notes out.
That's intriguing. I look forward to a fuller progress update.
 

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That's intriguing. I look forward to a fuller progress update.

Well, what to make of the curate's egg that is the GW electrification project.
Wires are up in 3 places - the 2 rolling stock depots (Reading and Stoke Gifford), and a demo stretch in sidings to the NE side of Swindon station.
This latter includes what looks like a full set of high-speed gear, the depots just being low-speed stuff with mostly headspan wiring.

Masts with booms over all 4 tracks are up over about 16 miles, between Didcot East Jn and Scours Lane (Reading), and between Maidenhead East Jn and MP20-ish east of Burnham.
Closer inspection shows that about half the booms are up and about a quarter of the masts are still to go up on these sections.
There are still sections missing bases, west of Pangbourne and east of Cholsey for instance.
Generally the cuttings seem to be behind the open and embankment sections.

Mast bases run much of the way from Airport Jn to Uffington (west of Didcot, about MP66) and as far as Kennington Jn approaching Oxford.
However, there are still significant gaps, eg Airport Jn-West Drayton (1 mile), Langley-Burnham (5 miles), and about 3 miles through and to the west of Maidenhead.
Nothing in the deep part of Sonning cutting yet.
The Oxford branch seems to have ossified in the last 3 months with no significant progress (about 30% of bases).
Most of the bases on the curves approaching Didcot are in.

West of Uffington, there is another stretch of bases around Shrivenham, then nothing for about 9 miles through Swindon until roughly where the M4 crosses over.
There is then a 3-mile run of bases as far as Wootton Bassett Jn.
Beyond Wootton Bassett on the Badminton line there are stretches where preparations have been made for bases (holes with yellow markers), notably around Hullavington-Badminton old station, and again near Westerleigh Jn.
Then the couple of bases at Pilning.

Since I last saw most of the route 3 months ago, the Crossrail section has come on quite well, and there was a lot of lineside activity.
Balfour Beatty appeared to be working on sites at Dolphin Jn and Hinksey, probably for switchgear rather than route wiring.

I find it very hard to say how "finished" they are.
But it's clear wiring won't be starting any time soon, and there is still lots to do even on the sections which appear most advanced.
There are no small part systems ("dangly bits") anywhere.
Most of the station sections (masts in platforms etc) are still to be done.
I didn't see the Newbury branch, which is probably well advanced, or the route through Bath/Filton.

Anybody have any better view of what is going on?
I'm sure I missed important things at 125mph west of Didcot!
 
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Daft question but with the MML and TPE electrification schemes being postponed, 1. Will the Great Western still make a 2016 deadline and 2. What impact will this make on the First Group bid to wire up Doncaster to Hull? As that's not a DfT scheme, will that still be done?
 

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Daft question but with the MML and TPE electrification schemes being postponed, 1. Will the Great Western still make a 2016 deadline and 2. What impact will this make on the First Group bid to wire up Doncaster to Hull? As that's not a DfT scheme, will that still be done?

Not a daft question -if I understand the Secretary of State correctly, with TPE postponed and MML on hold resources can be concentrated and people focused on completeing GWML either on time or hopefully not too far behind.

Question 2 - unknown sorry
 
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Well, what to make of the curate's egg that is the GW electrification project.
Wires are up in 3 places - the 2 rolling stock depots (Reading and Stoke Gifford), and a demo stretch in sidings to the NE side of Swindon station.
This latter includes what looks like a full set of high-speed gear, the depots just being low-speed stuff with mostly headspan wiring.

The Swindon sidings have High speed and low speed and are for training the NWR linesman that will be doing the maintainance
 

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lots of masts up around the new depot in swansea. masts everywhere. tried to get a decent photo as I passed through the other day but no luck
 

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lots of masts up around the new depot in swansea. masts everywhere. tried to get a decent photo as I passed through the other day but no luck

Are those the first ever masts in Wales or are there others?

Was there a ceremony for the first one?
 
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Are those the first ever masts in Wales or are there others?

Well, there was the Swansea and Mumbles railway, electrified with OHLE in 1929. It was the first in many railway fields.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swansea_and_Mumbles_Railway

The line was electrified in 1928 at 650 V DC [5] using overhead transmission – giving it the distinction of having used three forms of regular locomotive power over the years. Trials began on 6 July 1928[6] and full electric services were introduced on 2 March 1929, using a fleet of eleven double-deck cars built by the Brush Electrical Company of Loughborough, in Leicestershire. These were the largest ever built for service in Britain and each could seat 106 passengers. Furthermore, they were frequently operated in pairs, giving a total seating capacity of 212 per train
 

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There are a few masts on the new depot site at Filton. The on site trackwork looks to be complete too, just not connected up to the main. Depot building structures were all completed a while ago, they're now having the equipment fitted.
 

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There are a few masts on the new depot site at Filton. The on site trackwork looks to be complete too, just not connected up to the main. Depot building structures were all completed a while ago, they're now having the equipment fitted.

Presumably waiting re-signalling, which I assume hasn't happened here yet. If they want to run IEPs they probably need this doing to make the depot useable, even if the electrification doesn't extend this far initially.
 

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Their was some pile driving on the railway in the Charvil area starting at 5:45 in the morning last Sunday. Glad there was progress being made but it didn't do much for my Sunday lie in!
 

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Their was some pile driving on the railway in the Charvil area starting at 5:45 in the morning last Sunday. Glad there was progress being made but it didn't do much for my Sunday lie in!

I gather that is between Reading and Maidenhead. HTH
 

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'Factory on wheels' delays rail electrification by a year
By Allan Urry Reporter, File on 4

It was to be Network Rail's £40m answer to one of its biggest challenges - turning Brunel's Great Western railway line electric to allow faster, longer and greener trains to run from London Paddington to Bristol Temple Meads and beyond to Wales.
Instead, the under-performance of the High Output Plant System, a factory train made up of 23 vehicles, has, according to rail observers, made a big contribution to Network Rail falling at least a year behind schedule and going £900m over budget on the Great Western electrification project.
Yet the train was supposed to make the job of erecting thousands of electrification masts much easier. Two years ago, Network Rail was boasting about how it would slash years off the project.
Network Rail would not comment on the performance of the train, but admitted there had been "hiccups" on what is the first major rail electrification project in the UK for a generation. Rail insiders paint a more calamitous picture.
So what's gone wrong with the Hops train - and what role has it played in Network Rail's current woes?
Wiring Problem
The HOPS train has been described as a 'factory on wheels'
"The whole electrification project for the Great Western line was really based on the High Output train because of the amount of work it could do so much more quickly," said rail journalist Tony Miles.
"The two went hand-in-hand and the completion date was all really based on working out how many miles this high output train would do every day. And the moment it couldn't do that work it was obvious everything was going to fall apart."
The Hops train was supposed to dig holes, put up overhead wire supports, fill the holes with concrete and hang the wires - at the rate of about a mile each night.
Engineering insiders told the BBC that a newly designed wiring system did not match the specification of the holes the Hops train was designed to dig and that a new design of pile-tubes hammered into the ground to house the thousands of electrification masts - went in too deep after ground surveys were missed.
But, according to Roger Ford of Modern Railways magazine, even where the Hops train has managed to dig holes, it has damaged existing signalling cables. For him, the recent decision to "reset" Network Rail's £38bn maintenance and enhancement programme reveals the size of Network Rail's problems.
"It's short on experienced engineers and experienced operators - people who know how to run a railway. One of the problems is we have a lot of people who run Network Rail who know nothing about railways," he said. "I think we just lost the focus on the operational railway."
Network Rail said the scale and complexity of the work on the Great Western line - some 14,000 electrification masts need to be erected - has presented them with "unique challenges". So far, they had dug some 2,000 holes for the masts and erected 600 masts, with the pace increasing every day.
Transport Secretary Patrick McLaughlin has told Parliament that Network Rail must now "pause" its other big projects - including the politically charged electrification of lines in the north of England and the Midlands - and concentrate its efforts on getting the electrification of the Great Western right.
If they go around a tightly curved platform the middle bit will scrape on the platform edge - it's simple physicsTony Miles, Rail Journalist
But Louise Ellman, who chairs the Transport Select Committee, questions whether the other projects will get done at all.
"Costs have escalated, particularly on the Great Western line where the costs have now trebled, and it seems to be that other programmes might lose out as a result," she said.
"What that means in practice is that the work that was planned across the North to electrify the line from Manchester to Leeds and Hull, appears to be paused indefinitely and major works have been stopped on the Midland Mainline - so it's now a big question mark on just what's going to proceed and when."
But, for rail journalists like Tony Miles, just getting the Hops train out of its specially built shed in Swindon - known as the Hoob, or High Output Operating Base - doesn't mean the Great Western electrification is back on solid ground yet.
'Simple physics'
Network Rail has so far sunk 600 electrification masts: there are some 14,000 needed
Obstacles ahead on the Great Western line include untangling the signal, track and electrics around the listed Bristol Temple Meads station in Bristol - not least because the new inter-city trains bought by the government for this line are too long for Brunel's curved platforms.
"It was decided by the Department for Transport that the new trains will be 26m long per vehicle and our railways are built for 23m long," said Tony Miles. "So if they go around a tightly curved platform the middle bit will scrape on the platform edge. It's simple physics."
The Department for Transport said it was always known that work would be required on the platforms at Bristol Temple Meads to provide the clearance for the new trains - something that was factored into the plans at the start of the project and was part of the overall package of improvements on the line.
The department also assured the BBC that £38bn is still available to make the improvements needed on the UK's railways and said Network Rail had already delivered some improvements.
Network Rail admitted some of their plans for big projects like the Great Western were "overly optimistic", but would work with its new chairman to re-plan the programme in the next few months.
"On the big items like electrification and capital projects, it was always part of the regulatory process that the costs and programme would be revisited as projects became properly defined," said Network Rail chief executive Mark Carne.
"Unfortunately when these reviews have occurred, the more detailed project costs have been higher than assumed at the earliest stages of definition. As a result, the total enhancement programme cost now exceeds the available five-year budget. Some projects are also delayed beyond the original dates."
Off track: Network Rail on BBC Radio 4's File on 4 is available to listen to after transmission on Tuesday 7 July at 20:00.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33425743
 

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"It's short on experienced engineers and experienced operators - people who know how to run a railway. One of the problems is we have a lot of people who run Network Rail who know nothing about railways,"

That's very comforting. I think Mr Hendy will find this job more tricky than managing TfL. Never knew they bought trains (without testing them first or checking measurements) that wouldn't fit round certain curves... They could remove small sections of Brunel's curved platforms that may scrape the trains and have a TfL-style 'Mind The Gap' announcement :roll:

Can't they use the electrification system that HOPS was designed to install then?
 
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Can't they use the electrification system that HOPS was designed to install then?

That's what I like to know, why is it not using the electrification system that the train was designed for in the first place? If it's got to use a different electrification system then was that factored into the design of the train and if not then why?

And a mile per night, that doesn't seem to be a lot?
 

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For anyone who hasn't read to the end of the long quote in 83G/84D's post, File on 4, on Radio 4 at 8pm this evening, is about NR's upgrade programme.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b060zvnd

Works behind schedule; costs going up; an inquiry into poor performance announced by the industry regulator. It's a depressingly familiar story on our railways. From brand new station escalators at a standstill in Birmingham, to only 10 per cent of trains on time at one of London's busiest stations, even the Chancellor's planned Northern Powerhouse is threatened as line upgrades between Manchester and York are delayed.
Allan Urry investigates Network Rail's woes as pressure mounts to deliver £24 billion of infrastructure improvements.
Reporter: Allan Urry Producer: Rob Cave.
 
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There's some analysis in Rail 778 this week, including pieces by Paul Clifton (p8) and Christian Wolmar (p38).
It looks like Cardiff-Swansea and Didcot-Oxford are "at risk" of being pushed back in the GW electrification programme if London-Swindon is prioritised.
There's the prospect of electric depots without any wires between them, and insufficient wires in the Thames Valley to run an effective commuter electric service.
The Crossrail bits are not so badly affected so electric routes to Hayes and Maidenhead will come in first.
However that's only a fraction of the Thames Valley requirement.

Another aspect raised in the File on 4 programme on Radio 4 last night, was the risk of rolling out a new electrification design (Series 1) on GW without any trials.
I know NR has the High Marnham test track but that doesn't test performance in normal traffic conditions.
It could also be a reason for not rushing into MML wiring, until the Series 1 system is proved.
 

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Crossrail only originally went as far as Maidenhead and that was the boundary for responsibility for electrification, with GW picking up west of there. I don't think this boundary changed when Crossrail was announced as extending to Reading. Certainly there's never been any suggestion of Crossrail running or electrifying to Oxford.
 

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I thought electrification to Oxford was part of Crossrail?

Crossrail originally went to Maidenhead, so that was the first slice of GW electrification approved, west of Airport Jn.
The next project approved was Thames Valley suburban, which meant Maidenhead-Oxford/Newbury.
Then the main line was approved: Didcot-Bristol-Cardiff (and now Swansea).
When the contracts were let, Stockley-Maidenhead was let by Crossrail to Balfour Beatty, and NR let the rest to Amey (to the same design).
After all that happened, the Crossrail service was extended to Reading, but they are still working on the construction contract split at Maidenhead.
BB are not using the HOPS system, so are not having the same troubles as further west (although they have some troubles of their own, as we have seen in the North West).

Didcot-Oxford is mired by resignalling issues and the overlap of several upgrade schemes (capacity, Chiltern, East West, electric spine, station rebuilding etc).
I think we can forget electric spine for a bit. ;)
 
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