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Jeremy Corbyn would consider women-only rail carriages

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A lady on the news said she felt uncomfortable in a carriage with drunk men on a recent journey.

I'd like to see the issue of drunk, rowdy, antisocial behaviour tackled rather than the separation of the passengers.

Therein lies an even more complex issue, the consumption of alcohol on trains can of course be stopped but unfortunately people coming on the train drunk can't be legislated for.
Perhaps we should have a quiet coach, a drunkards coach, a woman only coach, and a children only coach! Corbyn's idea may lead to a bit of a slippery slope of further demands for segregated carriages, meaning that websites which allow seat reservations such as The Trainline would get the feel of a dating site!
 
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Its a crackpot idea that won't work and will probably all be forgotten about in the next 24 hours anyway - move along folks, nothing to see here.
 

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Therein lies an even more complex issue, the consumption of alcohol on trains can of course be stopped but unfortunately people coming on the train drunk can't be legislated for.
Perhaps we should have a quiet coach, a drunkards coach, a woman only coach, and a children only coach! Corbyn's idea may lead to a bit of a slippery slope of further demands for segregated carriages, meaning that websites which allow seat reservations such as The Trainline would get the feel of a dating site!

Drunk passengers can be stopped, at Lancaster they have a "sober test" for passengers on the last 2 trains to Barrow-in-Furness where First TransPennie Express will stop drunk passengers from boarding in they deem you impaired through drink.
 

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Drunk passengers can be stopped, at Lancaster they have a "sober test" for passengers on the last 2 trains to Barrow-in-Furness where First TransPennie Express will stop drunk passengers from boarding in they deem you impaired through drink.

Erm...

Doesn't that mean vulnerable drunk women will probably get into unlicensed cabs?
 

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Well, in that case. Aren't the majority of people in this country women? According to the stats there are 98 men for every 100 women in this country.

The highest paid politician in the country is The Sturgeon.

As to unwanted attention. I don't think there are plans to stop lesbian or bisexual women from sitting in the carriages - so there could be no guarantee of being free from unwanted attention. Nor guarantees of being free from jeers or abuse from rough women.


Barack Obama being US president does not mean that racism is over in America. Nicola Sturgeon and Margaret Thatcher do not mean this country isn't sexist. Isolated examples of high-ranking or well-paid women do not change the fact that, controlling for all other variables, women earn less money than men for equal work, and are less likely to attain high ranking positions.
 

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Its a crackpot idea that won't work and will probably all be forgotten about in the next 24 hours anyway - move along folks, nothing to see here.

This.

In the 70s there were still a few women only train carriages they done away with them, because they breached equality laws in the end.

And i agree with you it just would not work today.

I travel on rail regularly and the amount of drunken young ladies i see on trains after hen dos and yes stag dos as well for men, mean i might like a carriage for people who are not drunk and potentially violent.
 

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Erm...

Doesn't that mean vulnerable drunk women will probably get into unlicensed cabs?

I am not sure to be honest if British Transport Police deem any drunk passenger to be unfit through drink then I suppose the only option is the cells.
 

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Once you start engaging and making decisions about the individual when they are unable to make those decisions themselves - yes.

So you have to take drunk women(who can be as raucous and obnoxious as drunk men) because you cant run the risk of them getting into an unlicensed cab but you can just let drunk men do so?

wow, that's an amazing bit of logic
 

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Is that the railway's problem?!

Once you start engaging and making decisions about the individual when they are unable to make those decisions themselves - yes.

So you have to take drunk women(who can be as raucous and obnoxious as drunk men) because you cant run the risk of them getting into an unlicensed cab but you can just let drunk men do so?

wow, that's an amazing bit of logic

I would think its up to British Transport Police to use their own judgement in that situation. At the end of the day it is not fair on other passengers to have to sit on the train with other passengers who are severely under the influence of alcohol of any gender and its not fair on the rail company to have abusive passengers on their services who have a tendency to vomit, urinate, miss their stop and travel without tickets.

This thread has reminded me of a time when I was 14 and I got on the train at Whitchurch and there was a group of women going to a hen night in Nantwich and they were very drunk, noisy and throwing things around the train and had an already blown up sex doll. Looking back I was probably in no danger of being attacked by them but I was still scared. As a male am I entitled to my own coach to get away from people like that? Corbyn should try and answer that question.
 

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I would think its up to British Transport Police to use their own judgement in that situation. At the end of the day it is not fair on other passengers to have to sit on the train with other passengers who are severely under the influence of alcohol of any gender

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Ive been on many trains where I have been severely under the influence and sat there and nodded off as a great many do so you're saying I should be barred then? Mint.

and its not fair on the rail company to have abusive passengers on their services who have a tendency to vomit, urinate, miss their stop and travel without tickets.
and surprisingly this also happens with people who are stone cold sober and just want to get up to mischief, sooooo....
 

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As has been said earlier, this is little more than a political soundbite from a politician trying to get into power. It would be incredibly difficult to administer, and frankly would not solve the problem, possibly making it worse. If such carriages were introduced, how would they be policed, and more importantly what happens if the rest of the train was full, but the women only one half empty? Would men be asked to wait for the next train (assuming there was one) even though capacity was available?

If you want to solve the problem of inappropriate behavior by some men, and prevent the tiny minority of them from attacking women you should do so in the wider society. Punish people properly for attacks, teach future generations than this behavior is not acceptable. Having women only carriages simply shifts the problem elsewhere.

Incidentally, I noted some discussion on the term "Alpha male" earlier and how it should not be an acceptable phrase to use. However the phrase "Alpha female" seems to becoming much more acceptable with many women aspiring to carry this label, as well as books, websites etc available to advise women how to become this. So why is one acceptable and even encouraged, whilst the other seemingly lamented?
 

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In Dubai, on the new Metro, they have a Women Only car in each of the 5-car units. Actually, it's half a car, the other end being for a First Class saloon. The remaining 4 cars are an open walk-through saloon.

Women colleagues (Europeans) at the office there said they keep away from it, because of the noise of all the accompanying small children that are also in there. They pointed out that in the main part of the train was more restful.
 

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Had to laugh at the Matt cartoon in the Telegraph this morning

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/matt/

It shows at man standing on a platform waiting for a train, and an announcement over the tannoy

"The 08:35 is delayed because the women's carriage kept the rest of the train waiting.."
 

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I feel uncomfortable in a carriage with drunks.

I'm male.

I don't think anybody who is sober particularly wants to sit with 'drunks' as they're generally on different wave lengths.
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Drunk passengers can be stopped, at Lancaster they have a "sober test" for passengers on the last 2 trains to Barrow-in-Furness where First TransPennie Express will stop drunk passengers from boarding in they deem you impaired through drink.

Who carries out these tests?

I would have thought there might be legal issues as being 'drunk' is not in itself an offence?
 

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Who carries out these tests?

I would have thought there might be legal issues as being 'drunk' is not in itself an offence?

I think they are carried out by British Transport Police on behalf of FTPE. It is an office to enter the railway while intoxicated as a by-law and I think its illegal to be drunk and disorderly in a public place although this is not normally enforced if one is just walking home after a night out.

4. Intoxication and possession of intoxicating liquor
(1) No person shall enter or remain on the railway where such person is unfit
to enter or remain on the railway as a result of being in a state of
intoxication.
(2) Where reasonable notice is, or has been, given prohibiting intoxicating liquor
on any train service, no person shall have any intoxicating liquor with him on
it, or attempt to enter such a train with intoxicating liquor with him.
(3) Where an authorised person reasonably believes that any person is unfit to
enter or remain on the railway, or has with him intoxicating liquor contrary to
Byelaw 4(2), an authorised person may:
(i) require him to leave the railway; and
(ii) prevent him entering or remaining on the railway until an
authorised person is satisfied that he has no intoxicating liquor
with him and/or is no longer in an unfit condition.

It is also illegal to sing on the train according to by-laws.
 

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I have come across several people who support this proposal and the big question I ask them is "How do Male conductors and RPI inspect tickets within these coaches? I have heard some crazy suggestions from having a swipe card so that authorised rail staff can enter the coach, having it so that ticket are checked at the station by barriers so there is no need for a check on the train and finally the most crazy and offensive idea of "Women are good its only men who travel without a ticket on the train so their coach doesn't need checking".

It would be impractical and impossible to ban male members of railway staff from a women's coach although as a man I would still feel uncomfortable entering a women's only coach despite having authorisation to do so.
 

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I have come across several people who support this proposal and the big question I ask them is "How do Male conductors and RPI inspect tickets within these coaches? I have heard some crazy suggestions from having a swipe card so that authorised rail staff can enter the coach, having it so that ticket are checked at the station by barriers so there is no need for a check on the train and finally the most crazy and offensive idea of "Women are good its only men who travel without a ticket on the train so their coach doesn't need checking".

It would be impractical and impossible to ban male members of railway staff from a women's coach although as a man I would still feel uncomfortable entering a women's only coach despite having authorisation to do so.

I would't worry, it isn't something that will ever need to be worked out...
 

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Having daft ideas about trains is a sure sign of a politician's unsuitability for high office:

Mussolini - "I will make all the trains run on time"
Someone in UKIP - "All trains will be painted tastefully"
Corbyn - "Women only train carriages"
 

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Having daft ideas about trains is a sure sign of a politician's unsuitability for high office:

Mussolini - "I will make all the trains run on time"
Someone in UKIP - "All trains will be painted tastefully"
Corbyn and Claire Perry - "Women only train carriages"

Made a correction to your list.

Futurama (The Day the Earth Stood Stupid) said:
Linda the News anchor: Hi! Today some bad things happened. One bad thing was a train got crashed in New Jersey. Wanna see? People won't be late for work though, because the governor lady said, "I'm sending in more trains!"
 

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The madness of the far-left. Not only is it discriminatory against men what happens if there is space in the 'Wimmin' carriage and a man is forced to stand (or vice-versa) ? Cue the legal challenge.
 

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The madness of the far-left. Not only is it discriminatory against men what happens if there is space in the 'Wimmin' carriage and a man is forced to stand (or vice-versa) ? Cue the legal challenge.

You do realise a conservative MP Claire Perry also suggested this too don't you. But don't let that get in the way of your anti left wing rant eh
 

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You do realise a conservative MP Claire Perry also suggested this too don't you. But don't let that get in the way of your anti left wing rant eh

Let's hope Claire Perry stands for Conservative leader when Cameron stands down for an interesting leadership contest given her ideas are apparently left wing.
 

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I feel uncomfortable in a carriage with drunks.

I'm male.

Hence why my comment was


A lady on the news said she felt uncomfortable in a carriage with drunk men on a recent journey.

I'd like to see the issue of drunk, rowdy, antisocial behaviour tackled rather than the separation of the passengers.
 

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Not to undermine this problem at all but am I the only one who has never seen any of this kind of behavior on a train???
 
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