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Kite159 said:
What was that 458/5 I saw (but couldn't catch the number of) stabled in P6 at Woking this morning (and evening)?

I'm assuming it will work the 05:27 Woking to Waterloo via Staines tomorrow morning?
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A 10 car is berthed in Pl.3 aka Bay at night to form that train (1S08) that's a misuse of Cl.1 status if ever I saw one.
 
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Does anyone know which unit moved north by road last night? Allelys were reported to be about yesterday afternoon and evening.
 
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458501 Out of service - fire damaged
458502 In service
458503 In service
458504 In service
458505 In service 21/04/15
458506 Doncaster 13/10/15
458507 Doncaster 17/11/15
458508 In service 02/11/15
458509 In service 29/08/15
458510 In service 28/04/15
458511 In service 04/05/15
458812 Wimbledon testing 05/11/15
458513 Doncaster 10/09/15
458514 Doncaster 30/09/15
458515 Wimbledon testing 30/09/15
458017 Doncaster 22/10/15
458518 In service 20/07/15
458019 In service 14/09/15
458520 In service
458522 In service 02/11/15
458523 Wimbledon testing 02/11/15
458524 In service 26/05/15
458525 In service 09/06/15
458526 In service 29/08/15
458527 In service 20/07/15
458528 Doncaster 02/11/15
458529 In service 28/09/15
458530 In service
458531 In service
458532 In service
458533 In service
458534 In service
458535 In service
458536 In service

In summary:

2 458s remaining (458016, 458021)
1 458/5 in repair
3 458/5s in testing
6 458/5s in conversion
24 458/5s in service
 
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To give some idea of the overall effect of the project, can anyone remind me how many daily diagrams there were for 458s before the project started? IIRC their overall percentage utilisation was relatively low by modern EMU standards.

Then that leads to an obvious question, just how many 458/5 are expected to be diagrammed daily? Would it basically just be the original figure plus the extra 6, or will they be used far more intensively?
 
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swt_passenger said:
To give some idea of the overall effect of the project, can anyone remind me how many daily diagrams there were for 458s before the project started? IIRC their overall percentage utilisation was relatively low by modern EMU standards.

Then that leads to an obvious question, just how many 458/5 are expected to be diagrammed daily? Would it basically just be the original figure plus the extra 6, or will they be used far more intensively?
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At one point it was all peak services via Ascot other than the 1635 Reading and 1705 Aldershot - eg Waterloo departures at 1605, 1620, 1650, 1720, 1735, 1750, 1805, 1820, 1835, 1850, 1905 with the units off the 1605 then doing the 1920 - that is 22 units - and then 2 further units working Ascot - Guildford services - 24 in total.
 
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JonathanH said:
At one point it was all peak services via Ascot other than the 1635 Reading and 1705 Aldershot - eg Waterloo departures at 1605, 1620, 1650, 1720, 1735, 1750, 1805, 1820, 1835, 1850, 1905 with the units off the 1605 then doing the 1920 - that is 22 units - and then 2 further units working Ascot - Guildford services - 24 in total.
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Thanks. I think it is reckoned that 85-90% in service is more typical for modern EMU stock, so that would possibly be around 32 from 36? Will be interesting to see what they achieve, of course it isn't likely to settle down until a few months into next year, possibly the May timetable change if they adopt the usual caution...
 
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Thanks. I think it is reckoned that 85-90% in service is more typical for modern EMU stock, so that would possibly be around 32 from 36? Will be interesting to see what they achieve, of course it isn't likely to settle down until a few months into next year, possibly the May timetable change if they adopt the usual caution...
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Looking back at the carriage working notices for 2007 on the South West Trains Yahoo group, it does appear that they tried to diagram 27 458s when they initially returned from store. This didn't happen and they soon retracted to 24 which was the long run position.

The diagrams were 22 on the Reading line, 4 on Ascot Guildford and 1 mainly on the Hounslow loop / Weybridge services which also covered the 1635 to Reading and 1812 return.
 
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Is that the 0950 Reading? If so I had that yesterday so just about missed one last drive.
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Yes, indeed it was the 0950 Waterloo - Reading.

I saw the 1009 Reading - Waterloo with a single 450 this morning and I did wonder if there was an outside chance of one more encore this evening, but it wasn't to be. The 4 car stayed out all day - so too was one of the all day Reading diagrams yesterday.

Looks like the 458/5 diagrams are still two sets short this evening (same availability as yesterday).
 
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@Juniper driver have the remaining 458/0s that have yet to go up to Doncaster now run out of mileage?
 
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Dunno,they just seem to be confining them to barracks.:p Still were some at Wimbledon last time I looked.Will check Saturday.
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Makes sense I guess- if out as an 8 there's nothing to rescue them, if out as a 4 or two they'd be rather cosy a lot of the time... Then again no worse than that single 450!
 
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swt_passenger said:
Thanks for the reply. Is that only 2 left now? Probably won't go out as nothing to rescue them...
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8016/8021 are left.

458/0 have tight lock couplers, same as 455/456. It would only be a physical coupling so 5mph
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@Juniper driver have the remaining 458/0s that have yet to go up to Doncaster now run out of mileage?
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No, they havent.

Some gangway rubbers to 458/0 spec have appeared at the depot. The 458/5 ones are made of a tougher material so I suspect one of the two needs them.

That suggests two things. One they aren't up the upper mileage as exams are taking place. Two is that they could run the units still. Why change the rubbers otherwise as they get done at Doncaster.
 
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Got sent this earlier. I don't know how legit it is or not. Someone in "the know" may be able to enquire?
 
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As the remaining 458/0s have got plenty of mileage left, could they be going to delay sending them upto Doncaster to cover for 458518 until it's repaired?
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Unlikely to use them, because as has been pointed out previously, there's nowt to assist them should they conk out, it's easier to rejig a few 450s & do a few short forms than take the risk of them breaking down and screwing the service up for ages.
 
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Kite159 said:
What was that 458/5 I saw at Reading on Friday afternoon on an ECS? (would have been these two:
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/W50523/2015/11/20/advanced
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/W50725/2015/11/20/advanced

Testing of the SDO to allow 10 cars to run?
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They are two of the normal testing paths for 458/5s that have been in use since early last year. Probably just the next units to enter service, I doubt it is specifically about 10 cars on that route.
 
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There's two 458/5 turns to Reading in the new timetable, 458/5s are only allowed to run to Reading as 10 cars during certain times of day and for testing purposes only.

At least that's what was on the last traction bulletin I saw a couple of weeks ago.
 
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HarleyDavidson said:
There's two 458/5 turns to Reading in the new timetable, 458/5s are only allowed to run to Reading as 10 cars during certain times of day and for testing purposes only.

At least that's what was on the last traction bulletin I saw a couple of weeks ago.
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I know one is the new 1935 from Waterloo. What's the other one? 23.50?
 
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Oops. My bad.

The other is an Alton.

1A71 2153 Waterloo to Alton, 1A82 2316 Alton to Woking and 1A03 0040 Woking to Alton will be formed of a 10-car 458 instead of a 12-car 450 and will have no first class.

That's likely to throw a spanner in the works for crews!
 
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