Manchester - Liverpool Electrification

topgun390 · 4 Nov 2015

390 test run .one complete run via ST HELENS CENT sorry no times late change of plan
T
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390104 first pendo live through St Helens Central via Huyton/Ince Moss.
First trip full traction in boost mode
2cd trip 1 traction pack isolated.
early indications seem OK.

T

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LDECRexile · 4 Nov 2015

topgun390 said:
390 test run .one complete run via ST HELENS CENT sorry no times late change of plan
T
--- old post above --- --- new post below ---
390104 first pendo live through St Helens Central via Huyton/Ince Moss.
First trip full traction in boost mode
2cd trip 1 traction pack isolated.
early indications seem OK.

T

Glad it went well.

We had Paul lined up to film you, but gave up on it about 21:00. Oh we of little faith!

Unless Paul had a last peek....?

Thanks for putting the word out.

507 001 · 4 Nov 2015

nw-sparks said:
Nothing's gone through Huyton Platform 1 since 15:00 this afternoon, with all down trains using platform 2 - I wonder what's up.

Phil

Every time I've used Huyton recently, P2 seems to be the preferred platform.

I assume its something to do with offering cross platform connections.

PDG1949 · 4 Nov 2015

LDECRexile said:
Glad it went well.

We had Paul lined up to film you, but gave up on it about 21:00. Oh we of little faith!

Unless Paul had a last peek....?

Thanks for putting the word out.

Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa ! Bet Gerard's Bridge Junc. curve slowed you down a bit ! Great news though; maybe we'll be lucky with a daytime diversion sometime? Still nothing on RTT for SNH last night.

LDECRexile · 4 Nov 2015

Phil Wieland has kindly sent some photos of the unfinished footbridges at Rainhill.

He comments at length on a selection of them in his tremendous blog:

http://www.nw-sparks.co.uk/

I've added them to his album here:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/127646831@N03/sets/72157650238941151

and to the Combined Volume here:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/127646831@N03/albums/72157648494725811

Thank you Phil.

8A Rail · 4 Nov 2015

507 001 said:
Every time I've used Huyton recently, P2 seems to be the preferred platform.
I assume its something to do with offering cross platform connections.

Certainly trains from Prescot don't have a choice, they are unable to access Platform 1 at the station as no access at Huyton Junction. Stopper trains from Man Victoria and WBQ are booked for Platform 1 but can change especially if there is a late running TP or Airport train that needs to get by on Down Fast which does happen from time to time. HTH.

Loop & Link · 4 Nov 2015

Possible signalling issue or axle counter failure affecting points on P1?

Doubt they would book the Airport's or TPE's through P2 - with the 45 mph turnout at Huyton Jn

8A Rail · 5 Nov 2015

Loop & Link said:
Possible signalling issue or axle counter failure affecting points on P1?
Doubt they would book the Airport's or TPE's through P2 - with the 45 mph turnout at Huyton Jn

I agree, hence why I stated Man Vic or WBQ stoppers could use P2 (as well as freight trains). However, I would state all trains from Rainhill could use Platform 2 as the Signal after Whiston Station has a double yellow flashing aspect to inform drivers that they are being diverted on the Down Slow line at the Junction. HTH.

darylyates17 · 9 Nov 2015

Bevan Price said:
That is also what I understood was likely to happen, with the addition that one of the two TPE services each hour would call at St. Helens Junction & Newton Le Willows.

(And not a welcome move in my personal opinion, as the fast services from St. Helens Junction to both Liverpool & Manchester will lose a lot of seating capacity - an overcrowded 185 is not the ideal replacement for a Class 319 emu.)

i agree was on a fast TPE a few weeks ago from Victoria to Lime Street and then back to Victoria again and they were quite full for an off peak service just hope TPE get good electric units that have enough seating when the TP electifcation finally gets completed

budge · 12 Nov 2015

Apologies I'm likely posting in the wrong thread..but seems not many have seen this video and it seem a shame. There is some relevance to the electrification project in and around St Helens

Enjoy

Apologies to admins...

https://youtu.be/ezgHGVtS1CY

snowball · 13 Nov 2015

Quite apart from the steam loco I don't recall seeing any picture which gives such a good view of the finished overhead line supports at Carr Mill viaduct.

Apologies if there are ones I've overlooked or forgotten in LDECR's albums.

Philip Phlopp · 13 Nov 2015

snowball said:
Quite apart from the steam loco I don't recall seeing any picture which gives such a good view of the finished overhead line supports at Carr Mill viaduct.

Apologies if there are ones I've overlooked or forgotten in LDECR's albums.

It's an excellent demonstration of why Furrer+Frey and others are working with drones to improve inspection regimes for the new (and existing) OLE systems.

It will be nice to try a larger drone which can maybe remove light debris from the OLE - bags, balloons, branches etc. I don't know if it would work, but the time savings would be significant if it could be made to work.

LDECRexile · 13 Nov 2015

snowball said:
Quite apart from the steam loco I don't recall seeing any picture which gives such a good view of the finished overhead line supports at Carr Mill viaduct.

Apologies if there are ones I've overlooked or forgotten in LDECR's albums.

I sent word to the movie maker some months ago inviting him to contribute this film or other material to the Combined Volume, but received no reply. I was not wiling to use it without his express consent.

Outstanding isn't it?
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Paul Gaskell has kindly sent three shots he took in the Kenyon area yesterday.

I've put them in Paul's album here:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/127646831@N03/albums/72157649792560381

and into the Combined Volume here:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/127646831@N03/albums/72157648494725811

Thank you Paul

snowball · 13 Nov 2015

Does anyone know the history of Carr Mill viaduct? The present superstructure looks unusual - was it original? The line was apparently opened in 1869. Was it 2 tracks at that time, then widened to 4, then reduced to 2? In 4-track days was there an identical superstructure alongside, or one of a different style?

LNW-GW Joint · 13 Nov 2015

snowball said:
Does anyone know the history of Carr Mill viaduct? The present superstructure looks unusual - was it original? The line was apparently opened in 1869. Was it 2 tracks at that time, then widened to 4, then reduced to 2? In 4-track days was there an identical superstructure alongside, or one of a different style?

The old maps (1909) show 4 tracks over the viaduct, with a junction (Carr Mill Jn) to the west with 2 tracks running south to Blackbrook (and on to St Helens Jn) and 2 to St Helens Central (as now).
http://maps.nls.uk/view/101103635

Four tracks continued to Springs Branch, with junctions also at Garswood and Bryn to local collieries (and from Bryn to Pemberton).
Some of the colliery sites still sport businesses today.
I think the lines on the south side were goods only, principally for the coal traffic.
The area was criss-crossed with mineral lines to the mines, quite unlike the green rural aspect you get today.

LDECRexile · 20 Nov 2015

We went to friends near Malton on Wednesday, passing Allerton Depot en route.

I've added four shots showing work in progress, here:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/127646831@N03/sets/72157648494725811

mcnw35282 · 22 Nov 2015

The footbridge at the skew bridge end of Rainhill station is closed for about a week from Tuesday...maybe they found a permanent solution to the plywood barriers keeping people away from the wires?

LDECRexile · 23 Nov 2015

Fingers crossed for Rainhill footbridges.

I've added a few sunshine shots of Allerton Depot and other points south, here:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/127646831@N03/albums/72157648494725811

childwallblues · 23 Nov 2015

Surely photographs of Liverpool South Parkway and West Allerton have nothing to do with the title of the thread?

Ploughman · 23 Nov 2015

Is it part of the route of the electrification?
If yes the I believe it comes under the title.

johnmoly · 23 Nov 2015

childwallblues said:
Surely photographs of Liverpool South Parkway and West Allerton have nothing to do with the title of the thread?

In a way they do, The video of the 319 leaving LSP is the Preston train, reverses at Lime St, then on to Preston via St.Helens Central and Wigan NW. Some of the shots from West Allerton also include a 319 on the Preston run.

LDECRexile · 23 Nov 2015

childwallblues said:
Surely photographs of Liverpool South Parkway and West Allerton have nothing to do with the title of the thread?

Thank you for asking.

Northern Electrics Class 319s now use and pass through Liverpool South Parkway and pass through West Allerton as a direct result of the Liverpool-Manchester electrification scheme, as shown in stills and films in this set and several earlier sets focused on South Parkway.

I usually try to add colour and context to photo sets, for example by showing diesel stock, Kestrels hunting, quirky signs and so on. Never having set foot on West Allerton before I may have included too much salad and too little meat, given the striking variety passing through. If so, I hope you'll be able to grit your teeth and ignore the incidentals.

Looking over the material shared over the last couple of years I don't think I overdo the peripheral stuff, but maybe that's just a judgement call and I'm biased.

You may have seen that quite a lot of people chip in, all amateurs doing it for fun. Have you anything you'd like to contribute? Given your user name maybe you have some local angles or history which we haven't seen before.

If so, please send me a Private Message and I'll suggest easy ways to share your material.

All the best

Dave

LNW-GW Joint · 23 Nov 2015

Some people are very picky.
The electrification scheme includes wiring and extending Allerton depot for 319s.
319s also work from South Parkway to Preston.
When the Lime St-Weaver Jn upgrade starts we can have a new thread for the area (which can include the Halton Curve).

stockport1 · 23 Nov 2015

LDECRexile said:
We went to friends near Malton on Wednesday, passing Allerton Depot en route.

I've added four shots showing work in progress, here:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/127646831@N03/sets/72157648494725811

Thank you very much. I am a great fan of your work!

LDECRexile · 23 Nov 2015

stockport1 said:
Thank you very much. I am a great fan of your work!

Thank you for your kindness and encouragement.

Does anyone know if the Lime St-Warrington Bank Quay stoppers are all set to go electric at the December timetable change? I believe that's been the plan for months, but I haven't seen owt recently.

8A Rail · 23 Nov 2015

mcnw35282 said:
The footbridge at the skew bridge end of Rainhill station is closed for about a week from Tuesday...maybe they found a permanent solution to the plywood barriers keeping people away from the wires?

Just the one bridge for now?, Assume opposite end will be actioned following week? Then there is the one at Sutton Oak (Leach Lane) also.

Wavertreelad · 23 Nov 2015

mcnw35282 said:
The footbridge at the skew bridge end of Rainhill station is closed for about a week from Tuesday...maybe they found a permanent solution to the plywood barriers keeping people away from the wires?

On a similar note I notice that that the wall surrounding the bridge or tunnel carrying the route under the road island at the end of the M602 at Salford has been raised by bolting on metal panels to the existing concrete wall, which I must admit did seem rather low. It's a bit difficult to take photo's as the traffic lights can change quite quickly!

D1009 · 23 Nov 2015

LDECRexile said:
Thank you for your kindness and encouragement.

Does anyone know if the Lime St-Warrington Bank Quay stoppers are all set to go electric at the December timetable change? I believe that's been the plan for months, but I haven't seen owt recently.

How well used are they? Would a 319 be overkill?

LNW-GW Joint · 23 Nov 2015

D1009 said:
How well used are they? Would a 319 be overkill?

They are busy out to Earlestown, then pretty empty on to Warrington.
But the Victoria stopper is not busy either beyond Earlestown/Newton le Willows.
The fare system will have something to do with it - Merseytravel zonal fares don't apply.
To Huyton, they are just as busy as the Wigan trains, forming part of the 4tph.
Peak services form a second train to Victoria instead of Warrington.

8A Rail · 23 Nov 2015

D1009 said:
How well used are they? Would a 319 be overkill?

As the whole line is electrified then it is the obvious thing to do. I understand that is the reason for why NR wanted 20 Class 319's to include this service too. As for patronage, they are well used especially on the Lime St - Earlestown leg.

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