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Campaign to restore passenger services on the Middlewich Link Line

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Xenophon PCDGS

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Your writing style is about 100 years out of date.

...but containing the use of the English Language in a matter of correctness, which is not something to be scoffed at, especially noting my Polish heritage....:D

I do both hear and sympathise with your inability to make full comprehension of my postings, but do so make allowances, as my date of birth of 1945 is much nearer in time to the Victorian era than many of our younger forum members. I do note that you cite a character in a publication that is one not best known for the correct use of the English Language when there are a great number of well-known authors in the last 100 years that you could have quoted.
 
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Are you Victorian Dad out of Viz magazine ? Your writing style is about 100 years out of date.

Why on Earth is that relevant? Is there some principle I'm unaware of that says people's opinions are only important if they write their posts using a certain style?
 

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...but containing the use of the English Language in a matter of correctness, which is not something to be scoffed at, especially noting my Polish heritage....:D

I do both hear and sympathise with your inability to make full comprehension of my postings, but do so make allowances, as my date of birth of 1945 is much nearer in time to the Victorian era than many of our younger forum members. I do note that you cite a character in a publication that is one not best known for the correct use of the English Language when there are a great number of well-known authors in the last 100 years that you could have quoted.

I didn't say I didn't understand your postings - you're making that up - but I do find your writing style pompous in the extreme and your claims of wealth and living in "posh Cheshire" very pretentious.

Writing clear, simple, correct English is a skill that has clearly passed you by.
 

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The Middlewich branch is to benefit from some renovation work.

Network Rail said:
Cheshire’s most iconic railway bridges and viaducts are being revitalised thanks to a £17m investment by Network Rail. The purpose of the work is to make the railway safer and more reliable for passengers, motorists, pedestrians and canal users across the county.

During an 11-day (13-24 February 2016) closure of the Crewe to Manchester and Sandbach to Northwich railway lines, - Network Rail will carry out vital refurbishment works to four bridges and two viaducts as part of its Railway Upgrade Plan.

Completing these works at the same time has helped save £500,000 of taxpayers’ money and minimised the level of disruption as much as possible for passengers and freight services along these routes.

As part of this programme, the Grade-II listed viaducts at Holmes Chapel and Peover – two of Cheshire’s most well-known architectural landmarks – will be given a full makeover. Water stains on the walls of both viaducts will be removed, damaged brickwork will be repaired and both structures will be waterproofed.

At the same time, Network Rail engineers will undertake strengthening work to the Hungerford Road bridge in Crewe, Shipbrook Road bridge in Rudheath, and to the Whatcroft underbridge and the Trent and Mersey Canal bridge in Davenham. This essential work will help ensure these bridges continue to be reliable for passengers, motorists, pedestrians and canal users for decades to come.

Terry Strickland, area director for Network Rail said: “As part of our Railway Upgrade Plan, we are committed to delivering this major investment programme to improve the long-term reliability of a number of iconic and integral railway structures in Cheshire.

“To ensure the safety of our staff and passengers while we undertake this vital work from 13 to 24 February, the Crewe to Manchester and Sandbach to Northwich railway lines will be closed to both passenger and freight services. I would like to apologise to passengers in advance for any disruption this may cause.

“We care about passengers and by delivering these improvements as a package, we have minimised the level of disruption and reduced the need for future maintenance work. We have also saved half a million pounds which we can spend on further improvements elsewhere on the railway.”

A spokesperson on behalf of Virgin Trains, Northern Rail, CrossCountry trains and Arriva Trains said: "We understand that improvement works impact on passengers. This investment is vital and will deliver real benefits in helping to provide customers with a more reliable railway. All affected train operating companies are working closely with Network Rail to ensure alternative travel arrangements are in place wherever possible and to keep disruption to a minimum whilst this important work is carried out. Our advice to all customers travelling between Manchester and Crewe is to check their journey before they travel.”

The 11-day closure of these routes will mean that services to Manchester from London and South Wales (and vice-versa) will temporarily by-pass Crewe and be diverted via Macclesfield and Stockport. Local rail services will also be affected between Wilmslow, Stockport and Crewe. Replacement bus services will be provided and alternative routes will be signposted for all passengers who are affected.

Passengers should always check before they travel for the latest travel information at www.nationalrail.co.uk.

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Notes to editors

The key schemes within this package of improvement works that will take place from 13-24 February are as follows:

Holmes Chapel Viaduct,
Peover Viaduct (subject to planning permission)
Hungerford Road bridge, Crewe
Wilmslow Station subway
Whatcroft underbridge
Trent & Mersey Canal bridge
Shipbrook Road bridge, Rudheath

http://www.networkrailmediacentre.c...ts-to-breathe-new-life-into-cheshires-railway
 
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Middlewich line reopening is shown as level 3 priority on the Cheshire East Local Plan. Installing CIS at all stations in Cheshire East is also a level 3 priority.
 

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Middlewich line reopening is shown as level 3 priority on the Cheshire East Local Plan. Installing CIS at all stations in Cheshire East is also a level 3 priority.

Also, the Cheshire East cabinet at its meeting yesterday decided to dust off the Middlewich by-pass project. Campaigners will need to keep any eye on this to ensure it doesn't hinder the re-opening aspirations.
 

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Also, the Cheshire East cabinet at its meeting yesterday decided to dust off the Middlewich by-pass project. Campaigners will need to keep any eye on this to ensure it doesn't hinder the re-opening aspirations.

Thank you for keeping us informed, as obviously there are implications to consider in terms of how the strategic area transport planning can be viewed from a 2016 perspective compared to that date when the by-pass was first mooted.
 
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Hi, just popping back to say thank you to everyone who has offered advice about this topic.

I thought people may be interested in Cheshire East's local plan which is now out for consultation. No idea why but all the other multi million pound infrastructure assets (railway lines) in CE are on the diagrams/figures but ours isn't! Odd. Anyway, the consultation is open here: http://cheshireeast-consult.limehouse.co.uk/portal/planning/cs/lpspcv
 
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Hi, just popping back to say thank you to everyone who has offered advice about this topic.

I thought people may be interested in Cheshire East's local plan which is now out for consultation. No idea why but all the other multi million pound infrastructure assets (railway lines) in CE are on the diagrams/figures but ours isn't! Odd. Anyway, the consultation is open here: http://cheshireeast-consult.limehouse.co.uk/portal/planning/cs/lpspcv

Presumably Cheshire East aren't interested in the scheme, or think the figures are absurd.

However they do have the following in the document:

2.63 Although a railway line passes through {Middlewich}, it is currently used solely for freight
movements. There is no railway station or passenger rail service within the town; during the
development of the Site Allocations and Development Policies Document, an area of land will be
safeguarded to explore the potential delivery of a new train station. Bus services provide access to
Crewe, Holmes Chapel, Congleton, Northwich, Sandbach and Winsford. The M6 motorway is a short
distance away, linked to the town by the A54. An Eastern Bypass for Middlewich has been partially
constructed in recent years. The construction of the final section linking to the A533 Booth Lane to
the south of the town will open up further land for employment development as well as improving
environmental conditions in the town centre. The timing of this project, which is largely dependent
upon private sector funding, is currently being programmed. There is also the longer-term need for
improvements to the A54, predominantly in Cheshire West and Chester’s area, to improve the
strategic link between the M6 and Winsford.

15.296
Strategic Site CS 54: Brooks Lane, Middlewich
"The provision of land for a new railway station including lineside infrastructure, access and forecourt parking."

And
15.298a The provision of land for a station and other on site infrastructure with good links to existing
services and facilities in the town will ensure that the site is sustainable in the long term as well as
help support the future vitality of such services within Middlewich. This should include the on-site
identification of a new railway station for the town. If an alternative location for the railway station
beyond the site is subsequently preferred, following detailed masterplanning work, then the
development should contribute to its provision. The British Salt Lagoons located to directly to the
south of the site offer an opportunity to explore the potential of enlarging the site in future and
making best use of brownfield land here. The design of the development should respect and
capitalise on its canal-side setting.

Given that a railway generally exists to transport people into large cities, where people that work in smaller towns tend to drive, it seems that the council have determined a bypass is a far more critical piece of infrastructure, rather than attempting to turn middlewich into a Manchester dormitory town.
 
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Hi Paul, no so. Members of the Mid Cheshire Rail Link campaign met with Cheshire East recently and the station at Middlewich - and one at Gadbrook- are in the project pipeline
 

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Hi Paul, no so. Members of the Mid Cheshire Rail Link campaign met with Cheshire East recently and the station at Middlewich - and one at Gadbrook- are in the project pipeline ??????

Hopefully they'll update the maps in the plan

What does "met with Cheshire East" mean in this context? Officers? Councillors? Cabinet members?

My reading of the Local Plan is that the necessary allocations to permit reopening will be included, but that the project itself is no further forward.

(While I'm at it, what is a "project pipeline"?]
 
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What does "met with Cheshire East" mean in this context? Officers? Councillors? Cabinet members?

My reading of the Local Plan is that the necessary allocations to permit reopening will be included, but that the project itself is no further forward.

(While I'm at it, what is a "project pipeline"?]

Yes, it reads like they're setting aside some space for a possible future station. I believe Crossrail 2's route was safeguarded in the 1980s.
 
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Oh no, people will be thinking there's some plan to build a road tunnel under Teggs Nose or something! I just meant the process is underway to make the project happen.

They met with Andrew Ross who I believe is the officer in charge of transport at CE. The leader of the council was apparently due to be there but wasn't- it was around the time he stepped down.

They've also met with Cheshire West. There they met Gerard Rhodes, who I believe is the officer in charge of Transport at Cheshire West, and the member for transport - Cllr Clarke?

The campaign group gave an update at their last meeting but you can find out what they've been up to here: https://m.facebook.com/The-Mid-Cheshire-Rail-Link-Campaign-925333890856634/
 

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Can you not read this as completing the bypass would allow the town to expand which would increase demand for any rail station and services?
 

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Can you not read this as completing the bypass would allow the town to expand which would increase demand for any rail station and services?

Completing the bypass might actually help the viability of a station - by reducing the bottleneck in the town centre it might encourage locals to use Middlewich rather than drive to Sandbach or even Crewe.
 

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Completing the bypass might actually help the viability of a station - by reducing the bottleneck in the town centre it might encourage locals to use Middlewich rather than drive to Sandbach or even Crewe.

A moot point would be the type of service frequency offered and the destinations that would be served to and from Middlewich station, as the lines to and from both Crewe and Sandbach already offer electric train services to Wilmslow, Stockport and Manchester.. What is the plan for electrification and general track upgrading to allow faster speeds on the Middlewich line?
 

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The recent bridge renewals at the Northwich end of the line (during the Crewe-Wilmslow line closure) at least means that Network Rail intend to keep the line open.
Presumably the two bridges (at Shipbrook and and Davenham) were in danger of not even being able to carry 20mph freight traffic.
http://www.networkrailmediacentre.c...7m-investment-in-cheshire-bridges-and-viaduct

Most of the current freight seems to be Peak District limestone routed via Cheadle Heath and Middlewich to Crewe. http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/advanced/MDLW/2016/03/14/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt
HS2 will also have a big impact on the line, crossing it at the northern end.
 
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The recent bridge renewals at the Northwich end of the line (during the Crewe-Wilmslow line closure) at least means that Network Rail intend to keep the line open.
Presumably the two bridges (at Shipbrook and and Davenham) were in danger of not even being able to carry 20mph freight traffic.
http://www.networkrailmediacentre.c...7m-investment-in-cheshire-bridges-and-viaduct

Virgin also use the route for diversions so they have to be able to take Voyagers in passenger traffic as well.
 

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Network Rail actually did work to three bridges on the Middlewich line during the recent Holmes Chapel blockade. To quote from their press release:

Shipbrook Road bridge in Rudheath and the Whatcroft underbridge and Trent and Mersey Canal bridge in Davenham.

Another issue connected to HS2 is that once HS2 opens as far as Crewe (planned for 2026) there could well be fewer paths for freight between Crewe and Manchester because the classic compatible Euston-Manchester service will be routed that way (i.e. there will be more than one Euston service per hour each way). So freight may well have to be diverted via Middlewich.
 
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On the campaign group Facebook page today there's a request for help. If you know any businesses along the Altrincham - Crewe route let the campaign group know as they're updating the business case. Thanks in advance
 
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Thank you to everyone who contacted the campaign with details of businesses to be included in the business case. The business case is now nearing completion.

In other news: Paul Salveson is speaking at the next campaign meeting. Please come along if you'd like: 7pm on 31st May at The Wych Centre, Middlewich, CW10 9BX.
 
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Hi, yes. In 2013 our MP Fiona Bruce presented a 2,000 plus petition to the Deputy Speaker in the House of Commons. With 80,000 people living in Crewe, 17,000 in Sandbach, 14,000 in Middlewich, 20,000 in Northwich, 13,000 in Knutsford and 50,000 in Altrincham it wasn't a great representation of the numbers who might make use of these Crewe-Altrincham trains though!
 

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Good going! Get something going on Change.org - it could really help your business case. Online petitions are a much bigger force to be reckoned with than they used to be. You could pick up a lot of support.
 

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This is interesting: http://www.railengineer.uk/2016/04/22/after-borders-what-next/

No other reopening or new route betters the Middlewich line for BCR at present (other than Bicester to Bletchley where construction has been authorised), although it should be noted some lines like Glasgow Crossrail don't yet have a BCR. Middlewich beats some of the routes where a Portishead and Skemersdale which are at a more advanced stage.
 
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